[llvm-dev] Proposal: introduce dependency on abseil when building benchmarks

Mircea Trofin via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Thu Oct 7 09:51:59 PDT 2021


On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 9:47 AM Renato Golin <rengolin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, it looks like we're talking past each other, so I'll be extra clear.
> This is not meant to be rude, just making sure we're in the same page.
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 17:20, Mircea Trofin <mtrofin at google.com> wrote:
>> And yet, you propose to follow through if no one objected. Which is never
>>> a good idea for breaking changes.
>> To be clear, the fact they are breaking changes is what we're trying to
>> determine. It was my intention to spur attention to the thread (given the
>> silence), and providing a timeline can help.
> There are many ways to drive attention to a thread that hasn't received
> the due attention, for example:
> * "Politely ping" the thread, by saying "hey, has anyone seen this, I need
> some feedback" or such.
> * Reply to the thread including more people and making it clear that
> you're doing so by saying: "Adding more people to broaden the search for
> reply".
> * Chase other channels, like IRC, Disco{rd|urse}, other tools that you
> know are people that can help.
> Your "gentle reminder" isn't good because it assumed(*) that:
> * everyone that should have read your email did read the email
> * your change is obviously-good &| non-breaking
> * silence with consensus
> None of which is true.
> (*) Even if you personally didn't assume, the reply itself had the
> consequence (merge EOW) as if it was true.
> Yup, but they need to be identified first (i.e. a bit of a catch 22 if no
>> one replies)
> Both LLVM's mailing list and IRC channels are high-traffic, meaning it's
> really easy to get lost in the noise. If you don't get a reply in a few
> days, it's very likely that no one saw it.
> People also work no different time zones, have different week schedules,
> holidays, sickness, etc. Some people have alerts for emails, others read a
> digest at the end of the day. Some people work on the project full time,
> others on their spare time.
> Most people, however, are more responsive if you copy/@ them directly than
> if you just post a generic thread somewhere. But how to find those people?
> First, old timers know more people than new contributors, so asking them
> is a starting point.
> But most of them will say similar things:
> * Look for the code owners, buildbot maintainers
> * Search the mailing list, phabricator or bugzilla for past topics and
> copy the people involved
> * Use a different communication channel (ex. IRC) to ask around
> Once enough people are involved, they themselves know who else to copy,
> and the process becomes a lot easier.
> Now, where to look for people?
> * Code owners are listed in the file: llvm-project/llvm/CODE_OWNERS.txt
> * Infrastructure maintainers are listed in:
> llvm-project/llvm/RELEASE_TESTERS.TXT and
> https://lab.llvm.org/buildbot/#/workers (among others)
> * Mailing list and bugzilla searches aren't very effective, but help spot
> a few people.
> Once you get enough people, just copy them on the initial RFC, and it will
> have a much higher probability of reaching the right people.
> cheers,
> --renato
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