[llvm-dev] IRC spam

Thu Jun 25 17:41:57 PDT 2020

We went with old school solutions, less sexy I know, but seems to be 
effective.

@Renato, do you still feel there is much spam?

P.S.I'm going to switch to your ML approach once ready ;)

On 6/25/20 7:11 PM, Stephen Neuendorffer via llvm-dev wrote:
> Seems like a useful machine-learning recognition task....  Lots of data...
> useful to automate...  Low cost of false-negatives...
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:03 PM Ryan Houdek via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>> I'll comment from the perspective of someone that is in the Mesa,
>> #dri-devel, #radeon channels myself and have watched their behaviour over
>> the years. This is a real person that spams a load of information into a
>> channel about their understanding of how hardware works.
>> I have no idea what their goal is for spamming this information, could be
>> some desire for acceptance from perceived smartness. Or something as simple
>> as wanting to be hired for their "brilliance". Hard to tell.
>> A major issue with their personality is that they will retaliate against
>> anyone that tries to stop their ranting, and they become hostile with their
>> phrasing very quickly because of it. Just check the logs for them
>> retaliating against anyone that has kickbanned them.
>> Another issue is that depending on their mood of the day, they may be
>> entirely lost to any form of reasoning, which makes it difficult for any
>> communication.
>> So just to reiterate, they are a real person but are difficult to deal
>> with.
>> On that note, they aren't completely impossible to work with in some
>> cases, it just might require accepting getting attacked for a few weeks.
>> I'm a channel operator in one of the Mesa related IRC channels and have
>> had success in communicating with them that their behaviour is not
>> conducive to the environment that we were attempting to create in the
>> channel.
>> This took a bit of coaxing on their "good" days, and communicating with
>> them while being attacked for around a month on end. At the end of this
>> month-long attack and communication I was able to get them to understand
>> that they aren't welcome to the channel.
>> They no longer enter the channel that I moderate; I managed to get through
>> to them on some level at least.
>> Sadly this sort of baby sitting of a user shouldn't be required and
>> requiring some thick skin to get through their harsh comments is difficult.
>> More moderation will "work" but while they are rampaging, you're going to
>> still have to watch the channel and you'll get a few lines of harassing
>> text while an op takes a bit of time to see them (and sometimes even
>> perceive them, on "good" days they make comments that make some sense
>> initially).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:03 PM Tom Stellard via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/16/2020 07:27 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Joerg Sonnenberger via llvm-dev
>>>> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>> I also see little evidence that it would fix the problem of someone
>>>>> having too much time on their hand and wants to be a nuisance.
>>>> AFAICS, this is not the problem.
>>>>
>>>> The nicks are clearly randomly generated by smashing words together
>>>> and the content seems to be what comes out of a language model after
>>>> reading angry Facebook posts.
>>>>
>>>> Registering is quick and easy and would filter 99% of the automated
>>>> accounts. Not 100% and not the people with too much time in their
>>>> hands. But those, nothing will.
>>>>
>>>> It's like a bicycle lock: the bigger your lock, the more likely the
>>>> thief will steal someone else's bike. But someone wanting *your* bike
>>>> will take it, no matter the lock.
>>> I'm fairly certain that this is the same person that has been spamming
>>> the #dri-devel and #radeon channels on freenode for years.  The pattern
>>> of comments is they same and I've seen them mention people in comments on
>>> #llvm who only join those other channels.  #dri-devel requires users to
>>> identify
>>> with the server and also uses extbans, but that hasn't really helped.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how to solve this, but I think having more ops
>>> (spread across all timezones) would help.
>>>
>>> -Tom
>>>
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