[llvm-dev] IRC spam

Thu Jun 25 17:11:18 PDT 2020

Seems like a useful machine-learning recognition task....  Lots of data...
useful to automate...  Low cost of false-negatives...

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:03 PM Ryan Houdek via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> I'll comment from the perspective of someone that is in the Mesa,
> #dri-devel, #radeon channels myself and have watched their behaviour over
> the years. This is a real person that spams a load of information into a
> channel about their understanding of how hardware works.
> I have no idea what their goal is for spamming this information, could be
> some desire for acceptance from perceived smartness. Or something as simple
> as wanting to be hired for their "brilliance". Hard to tell.
> A major issue with their personality is that they will retaliate against
> anyone that tries to stop their ranting, and they become hostile with their
> phrasing very quickly because of it. Just check the logs for them
> retaliating against anyone that has kickbanned them.
> Another issue is that depending on their mood of the day, they may be
> entirely lost to any form of reasoning, which makes it difficult for any
> communication.
> So just to reiterate, they are a real person but are difficult to deal
> with.
> On that note, they aren't completely impossible to work with in some
> cases, it just might require accepting getting attacked for a few weeks.
> I'm a channel operator in one of the Mesa related IRC channels and have
> had success in communicating with them that their behaviour is not
> conducive to the environment that we were attempting to create in the
> channel.
> This took a bit of coaxing on their "good" days, and communicating with
> them while being attacked for around a month on end. At the end of this
> month-long attack and communication I was able to get them to understand
> that they aren't welcome to the channel.
> They no longer enter the channel that I moderate; I managed to get through
> to them on some level at least.
> Sadly this sort of baby sitting of a user shouldn't be required and
> requiring some thick skin to get through their harsh comments is difficult.
> More moderation will "work" but while they are rampaging, you're going to
> still have to watch the channel and you'll get a few lines of harassing
> text while an op takes a bit of time to see them (and sometimes even
> perceive them, on "good" days they make comments that make some sense
> initially).
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:03 PM Tom Stellard via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>> On 06/16/2020 07:27 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-dev wrote:
>> > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Joerg Sonnenberger via llvm-dev
>> > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>> >> I also see little evidence that it would fix the problem of someone
>> >> having too much time on their hand and wants to be a nuisance.
>> >
>> > AFAICS, this is not the problem.
>> >
>> > The nicks are clearly randomly generated by smashing words together
>> > and the content seems to be what comes out of a language model after
>> > reading angry Facebook posts.
>> >
>> > Registering is quick and easy and would filter 99% of the automated
>> > accounts. Not 100% and not the people with too much time in their
>> > hands. But those, nothing will.
>> >
>> > It's like a bicycle lock: the bigger your lock, the more likely the
>> > thief will steal someone else's bike. But someone wanting *your* bike
>> > will take it, no matter the lock.
>>
>> I'm fairly certain that this is the same person that has been spamming
>> the #dri-devel and #radeon channels on freenode for years.  The pattern
>> of comments is they same and I've seen them mention people in comments on
>> #llvm who only join those other channels.  #dri-devel requires users to
>> identify
>> with the server and also uses extbans, but that hasn't really helped.
>>
>> I'm not sure how to solve this, but I think having more ops
>> (spread across all timezones) would help.
>>
>> -Tom
>>
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