[llvm-dev] RFC: Introducing an LLVM Community Code of Conduct

Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Wed Oct 14 14:23:44 PDT 2015

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Renato Golin <renato.golin at linaro.org> wrote:
> On 14 October 2015 at 20:35, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev
> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>> Related specifically to the developers meeting, we are growing quite
>> rapidly. For the past few years, we have been increasing our attendance from
>> 50 at the start to now over 350 attendees. With this many people (and many
>> new to the community), it seems important to have a code of conduct to refer
>> to and possibly *prevent* any incidents from happening. And for some people
>> (not sure exact percentage), it makes them feel more comfortable attending a
>> conference that has a code of conduct.
> Just an honest and simple question: would it make sense to have a
> different code of conduct for meetings and the rest?
> I know it sounds like a bad idea, but my rationale is that maybe this
> would at least solve some of the points that socially inept people
> feel pressure on the current proposal.

I don’t really think how someone is expected to behave should differ from in person versus online. So I think the core values of the CoC apply to both situations.

However, I do think that the consequences of such behavior could be different. In an in person situation during a 2 day event, decisions about what to do have to be made faster and could mean asking someone to leave the conference. This is really based on a case-by-case situation.

However, I don’t feel we should have 2 separate code of conducts. I think that this applies more towards what the committee does with a report versus the rest of the CoC. I think there is room for improvement in this area.


> Because the consequences of a physical meeting can be a lot tougher
> than any electronic one, and because timing is of the essence, the
> wording *has* to be stronger and an executive decision has to be
> implemented.
> But such strong wording and harsh unappealable consequences do make
> us, of the anti-social variety, very frightened. We grew in a world
> that never made sense, and we have suffered our childhoods and
> adulthoods in constant fear of irrational (to our minds) reprimands.
> This is not a simple matter, it's quite real and have made me
> seriously consider many times leaving the open source realm for good.
> I have left jobs and regressed in my career because of things like
> that.
> From the very wording in the proposed CoC, we don't want to leave
> anyone behind, including physical and mental disabilities. If that's
> true, and we really mean it, than imposing such a harsh CoC from the
> majority of opinions is exactly the opposite of that. People like me
> are clearly not the majority, the NAS UK estimates 1 every 100 people
> in England has some form of autism, but that's the whole point of a
> CoC, is to not forget about the people with some form of fragility.
> By the replies I've seen so far, there were others that feel the same
> way, and I wonder if they're also feeling a little uncomfortable with
> the wording.
> Disclaimer: This is not personal nor an accusation, I know you
> wouldn't do anything to upset anyone. I'm just trying to solve a
> problem that I can see people have, but can't express without looking
> rude. I'm *really* sorry, but we just sound rude, we're not really,
> and I do appreciate when people remind me if I slip up.
> Just my two cents.
> cheers,
> --renato

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