[llvm-foundation] Voting

Fri Jul 15 14:20:59 PDT 2016

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> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Tanya Lattner via llvm-foundation <llvm-foundation at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 4:25 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-foundation <llvm-foundation at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It seems that the GitHub proposal is finally getting into shape, and
>> it'll be *a lot* simpler than I was expecting.
>> 
>> Now, it's time to start thinking about how we do the "voting". In
>> quotes because Tanya's suggestion of survey is a lot better than
>> simple voting, and folks seem to agree, so we should go with it.
>> 
>> Tanya,
>> 
>> I was thinking "radio" buttons with a few options and a field for
>> further notes on the reasons. The radio will help us identify raw
>> numbers, the reasons will help us identify the strength of each
>> individual choice.
>> 
>> I'm divided if we should have an "other" option, or just go with
>> "choose the closest option". I prefer the latter...
>> 
>> A draft of the form would be:
>> 
>> Name:
>> Email:
>> OSS Project/Company/University (if any):
>> 
> 
> Maybe add: how many developers do you have working for you or with you… this might capture large groups of people that don’t want to all write feedback?
> 
>> How do you use LLVM? (choose the closest option)
>> 1. I don't use LLVM, but am interested in its development.
>> 2. I have used LLVM in a pet-project / academic work, but don't use it anymore.
>> 3. I use LLVM on a pet-project / academic work.
>> 4. I use LLVM for a production product / OSS project that we develop /
>> distribute.
>> 5. LLVM is a major part of one or more products / projects, which
>> support a bigger product line / OSS distribution.
>> 6. I am a core developer of LLVM, responsible for one or more parts of
>> the compiler / sub-projects (code owners, top committers,
>> infrastructure).
>> 
> 
> I would remove #6 and separate it into a new question about what the person contributes to LLVM. Either open text box, or radio button list.. I really want to capture the person’s involvement and contributions to LLVM (in technical or non-technical ways..). I think its equally as important as how they are using it. If the majority who fill out the survey are using it but never contribute anything back.. thats an interesting situation..
> 
>> Please, expand on your usage, as accurate as you can, with links:
>> <text field>
>> 
>> How would moving to GitHub impact your usage of LLVM? (choose the
>> closest option)
>> 1. I already use Git, little to no impact foreseen.
>> 2. I use a mixture of Git and Svn, and some impact will be felt.
>> 3. I use mostly Svn, so we'll have big impact on our productivity.
>> 4. I cannot work with / don't want to move to Git.
>> 
>> If you chose 2~4, please explain your reasons here:

I feel there is a missing option: "SVN is annoying and getting rid of it would straighten my processes".

Also I'm not sure what you expect to take from "3": someone who don't know git will necessarily have a period of of lower productivity but it has to be a transition cost.
(And you phrased it as "big impact" which seems dubious)

-- 
Mehdi

>> <text field>
> 
> Sounds good.
> 
> I would also have a text box for open concerns or things that may not be considered in the proposal.
> 
>> 
>> The data could be potentially shared, raw, with the community (maybe
>> the text only upon request, in private communication), so respondents
>> are expected to not share any private information. Not sharing it
>> could potentially invalidate any decision taken based on the data and
>> lead to a fractured community. But companies that have secretive
>> products can be vague, and due to the nature of the LLVM community, we
>> should be sensitive to that when analysing the data and drawing
>> conclusions.
> 
> If a company is using LLVM for a secret project.. there isn’t much we can do about it. The will have to figure out how to communicate their concerns without divulging sensitive information. 
> 
> I think depending upon the results, we can decide how best to present the data.
> 
>> 
>> I'm wiling to write up the proposal and do the data analysis (use vs.
>> impact) and announce the result of the survey. Though, I don't know
>> what's the best way to do the survey (Google forms? SurveyMonkey?
>> something else?), and the Foundation's help would be nice. :)
> 
> Thank you for volunteering to spearhead this. I would also suggest having a webpage that clearly explains the plan, pros/cons, and then link to survey for people to fill out. Some of this has been on the list, but lets put it somewhere else easily accessible. 
> 
> I think that anyway is fine (google forms or survey monkey). I used survey monkey for the LLVM Dev Meeting and it worked fine. The Foundation can support costs and help with creation.
> 
> -Tanya
> 
>> 
>> cheers,
>> --renato
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