[llvm-dev] LLVM Infrastructure Changes - Moving to Discourse

Fri Jan 14 00:49:18 PST 2022

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:01 AM Mehdi AMINI <joker.eph at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:40 PM Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <
> m.e.sanliturk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>> GMail is classifying some messages into spam  ( if the GMail is unable to
>> verify that the
>> mail is coming  from the  "SENDER" ) : This means , the sender is NOT
>> properly configured
>> which is NOT responding to GMail verification checks properly  .
>>
>> I am receiving many such messages from , especially FreeBSD mailing lists
>> due to
>> original sender mail accounts not properly configured or sender name
>> contain
>> invisible invalid characters .
>> LLVM and its associated parts  messages are never classified as spam in
>> my accounts .
>>
>> My opinion is that Discourse messages from LLVM are not properly
>> configured ,
>> GMail is not able  to verify their origin and send them to "spam"
>> directory .
>>
>> Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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> If I understand you correctly: if this was the problem, then everyone
> using gmail would have all Discourse email always in spam.
> I don't believe this is that easy or clear cut however: many folks working
> on MLIR are using gmail and Discourse for > 2 years now, and I never had a
> spam issue so far.
> So there likely are some heuristics involved here (I don't have any inside
> knowledge of how gmail works to be clear).
>
> --
> Mehdi
>
>

My ideas may not  all be correct . As I said : I am receiving messages from
FreeBSD mailing lists which some of them ( meaning not all of them )  were
sent to the "spam" directory . I have informed one of the message senders
about the issue by writing his e-mail address directly into the "to" area .
He received my message and send me a message saying his mailing system is
working
properly .

I copied and pasted his e-mail address from the FreeBSD delivered message :
Response was
"There is NO such an address" .  Why ?

I have looked at the name from the FreeBSD mailing list with a hexadecimal
editor .
There were characters additional to the original name as invalid characters
not displayed
as text ( perhaps appended by the delivery system due to a name length bug
or ? . )

Whatever the reason I do not know , some names are becoming corrupted in
this way .
When GMail is sending such names to the originating mailing system , the
sender system
is responding "There is NO such an address" .

OR the sending mailing list is using an invalid sender name as its name ,
OR the sending mailing list is not configured properly and either is not
responding or
      its response is incorrect with respect to format to be used

( I have informed a mailing list about spam classified messages  and
possible misconfiguration . The response was : "We have corrected
misconfiguration due
to an unset variable ." : Message delivery was not behaving in a
deterministic way
because of random value of unset variable . )

OR any other reason which I do not know properly .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk

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>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 4:18 AM Mehdi AMINI via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
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>>> Should we add to the documentation to whitelist from spam filters the
>>> sender <llvm at discoursemail.com> ?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:59 PM Brooks Davis via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
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>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:32:15PM +0000, Alex Bradbury via llvm-dev
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 07:19, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev
>>>> > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > LLVM Community,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I just posted a blog post about the upcoming changes to the mailing
>>>> lists and LLVM Discourse forums:
>>>> > > https://blog.llvm.org/posts/2022-01-07-moving-to-discourse/
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am sure some may be anxious about this change, but I hope we can
>>>> work together as a community to resolve any potential issues or help each
>>>> other navigate this change. I have put the migration to discourse guide
>>>> that was drafted by the Infrastructure Working Group in LLVM Docs, and
>>>> encourage people to add their tips and tricks to help others migrate over.
>>>> > > https://llvm.org/docs/DiscourseMigrationGuide.html
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If you have any questions about the plan, please let me know.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm not sure if others have seen this issue, but I've enabled 'mailing
>>>> > list mode' and found all LLVM Discourse emails are being classified as
>>>> > spam by GMail. The emails passed SPF, DKIM and DMARC checks so it
>>>> > doesn't look like there's anything that can be done on Discourse's
>>>> > side. Just thought I'd flag it as an issue in case others were
>>>> > experiencing it.
>>>>
>>>> I subscribed to a few categories and upon seeing this message checked
>>>> and a bunch of mail had ended up in gmail's spam filters.
>>>>
>>>> -- Brooks
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