[llvm-dev] Inclusive language in LLVM: can we rename `job` in source code?

[Fedor Sergeev via llvm-dev]

On 6/21/20 10:41 PM, Ivan Kush via llvm-dev wrote:
> Yes, broad. But what guys say: "You LLVM developers are all racists, 
> because you use 'master' word"
> Or broader: "You  all developers are all racists, because you use 
> 'master' word". We are not racists, but other guys think so.
> So let's begin consistent and take into account all nations and 
> languages. Not only Americans.
> Работа/Job contains a root Раб/Slave.
> https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0
> If we want completely eradicate a word Slave we should take into 
> account all nations and languages!
> You say that removing 'master' you won't mention Slave, but in Russia 
> leaving a Job could mean Slave
Being a native Russian and being kinda proud of my feeling of the 
language, I find this statement (Job could mean Slave) rather strange...

The word "Работа" in Russian does not have any despising semantical 
connotation derived from slavery.
It is easy to figure out just by reading the part of the page you quoted 
named "Семантические свойства" (semantical characteristics).
It is all about work, job, labor, creativity (and a science term). No 
single mention of slavery or forced labor.

"Root" is just the origin where the word started from, perhaps centuries 
ago. It is quite common that words do change their meaning
through these centuries.

If you take a look at all the words that have "-раб-" root in it you 
will find:
   раз-раб-отчик == developer
   раз-раб-отка == development
   об-раб-отка == handling
etc

I would prefer to be allowed to do my job and be proud of it, and to 
call my fellow developers - developers.

thank you very much,
   Fedor.

> -- 
> Best wishes,
> Ivan Kush
> 21.06.2020, 22:01, "Chris Lattner" <clattner at nondot.org>:
>
>         On Jun 21, 2020, at 4:49 AM, Ivan Kush via llvm-dev
>         <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>         Here we've began discussion about "master"
>         https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2020-June/142448.html
>         Lets remove Job word completely
>
>         But as one can easily fact-check, in Russian (slavic?) language,
>         for example, the word "Worker" can be translated as "Работник", "Рабочий".
>         Similarly the word "Job" can be translated as "Работа".
>         As you may notice, they all contain "Раб", which, as you can easily
>         check, literally translates to "slave".
>         To Russian people it doesn't seem very inclusive use words with such dubious origin.
>
>         We have many uses of Job word
>         https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/search?q=job&unscoped_q=job
>
>     Hi Ivan,
>     Thank you for raising this issue.  I haven’t heard much industry
>     consensus that the word ‘job’ is a problem - are there other
>     communities considering such a change?
>     I’m concerned that a policy around “any English word that can be
>     translated to an unfortunate term in another language” could be
>     too broad to be useful.  The discussion around “master" isn’t
>     related to translations.
>     -Chris
>
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