[llvm-dev] [RFC] IR-level Region Annotations
Johannes Doerfert via llvm-dev
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Fri Jan 20 04:43:40 PST 2017
Hi Vikram,
Thanks for the elaborate answer. I will try to be brief with my comment.
On 01/19, Adve, Vikram Sadanand via llvm-dev wrote:
> Hi Johannes,
>
> > I am especially curious where you get your data from. Tapir [0] (and to
> > some degree PIR [1]) have shown that, counterintuitively, only a few changes
> > to LLVM passes are needed. Tapir was recently used in an MIT class with a
> > lot of students and it seemed to work well with only minimal changes
> > to analysis and especially transformation passes.
>
> TAPIR is an elegant, small extension and, in particular, I think the
> idea of asymmetric parallel tasks and control flow is a clever way to
> express parallelism with serial semantics, as in Cilk. Encoding the
> control flow extensions as explicit instructions is orthogonal to
> that, though arguably more elegant than using region tags + metadata.
I agree that any form of first class parallelism seems more elegant than
region tags + metadata. Choosing a clever structure for the parallel
constructs can additionally save a lot of work wrt. existing passes,
e.g., the dominance relationship will prevent most illegal
transformations in our proposed fork-join scheme.
> However, Cilk is a tiny language compared with the full complexity of
> other languages, like OpenMP. To take just one example, TAPIR cannot
> express the ORDERED construct of OpenMP.
As with reductions, ORDERED is something we might want to express with
low-level constructs we already have, e.g., atomics. Alternatively, the
fork instructions can be extended with "attributes" to express more
elaborate schemes, e.g., the "lockstep" annotation we introduced for the
PIR white paper.
> A more serious concern, IMO, is that TAPIR (like Cilk) requires serial
> semantics, whereas there are many parallel languages, OpenMP included,
> that do not obey that restriction.
Serial semantics are good to have but do not need to be enforced. In PIR
we used a "force" attribute to force parallel semantics and disable
potential serialization, though OpenMP does not necessarily enforce
parallelism.
> Third, OpenMP has *numerous* clauses, e.g., REDUCTION or PRIVATE,
> that are needed because without that, you’d be dependent on
> fundamentally hard compiler analyses to extract the same information
> for satisfactory parallel performance; realistic applications cannot
> depend on the success of such analyses. For example, automatic array
> privatization in parallel loops is a very hard problem (automatic
> scalar privatization is easier, but even that is interprocedural).
> Reduction recognition is doable for common cases, but there are hard
> cases here as well. These are all standard features of parallel
> programs, not specific to OpenMP (e.g., C++17 parallel template
> operators are likely to produce these as well).
In the end it boils down how much of this information we want/need to
encode as special case (intrinsics/metadata) in the IR and what
information should be analyzed from constructs build with common IR.
Additionally, one has to consider which is easier do deal/optimize with
in the existing passes. In the PIR white paper we shown how OpenMP
(FIRST)PRIVATE clauses can be expressed using only well placed alloca
instructions. From there, analysis is not as hard as automatic
paralellization.
> If you support all these capabilities in the IR, a *lot* more than
> 6000 LOC (Tapir’s statistic; I’m sorry I don’t recall the number for
> PIR) would probably have to be modified in LLVM.
All in all TAPIR was implemented in 5k LOC. However, >1k are explicit
parallel optimization, 1k is used to add new instructions (thus
mechanical), 2k are used to lower the parallelism (thus needed for
basically all schemes), and the rest is needed to make it work with
existing analysis and transformation passes. To this end I do not see
how any other scheme would require much less.
> >> [...] (b) Add several new LLVM instructions such as, for
> >> parallelism, fork, spawn, join, barrier, etc. [...]
> >
> > For me fork and spawn are serving the same purpose, most new schemes
> > suggested three new instructions in total.
>
> A reasonable question is whether to use (#b) first-class instructions
> for some features, *in combination with* (#d) — i.e., region markers +
> metadata — or to use #d exclusively. There are almost certainly far
> too many essential features in parallel programs to capture them all
> as new instructions. I don’t see a need to answer this question on Day
> 1. Instead, we can begin with regions and metadata annotations, and
> then “promote” a few features to first-class instructions if the
> benefit is justified.
>
> Does that make sense?
Given parallelism as a first-class citizen we can still add new features
in various ways, including intrinsics or metadata. However, if we walk
down a path it is hard to change the direction completely, especially
since region annotations and fork-join parallel regions do serve
overlapping needs.
> > Also I think we already have a lot of simple constructs in the IR to
> > express high-level information properly, e.g. 'atomicrmw'
> > instructions for high-level reduction. While we currently lack
> > analysis passes to extract information from such low-level
> > representations, these are certainly possible [2,3]. I would argue
> > that such analysis are a better way to do things than placing
> > "high-level intrinsics" in the IR to mark things like reductions.
>
> IMO, this is too fragile for ensuring performance for realistic
> applications. While there is a lot of work on reduction recognition in
> the literature going back to the 1980s, there will always be cases
> where these algorithms miss a reduction pattern and you get terrible
> parallel performance.
This might be true but also a problem of current optimizations e.g.,
loop vectorization. Missed optimization opportunities will not go away
one way or another.
> Second, I’m not convinced that you can use specific operations like
> “atomicrmw” to find candidate loop nests in the first place that
> *might* be reductions, because the atomic op may in fact be in a
> library operation linked in as binary code.
I do not get the library operation comment as atomicrmw is an intrinsic.
Also the front-end would place the atomicrmw intrinsics in a parallel
loop so there is no finding of candidate loop nests involved, right? (I
have the feeling you mix automatic parallelization with representation
of existing parallelism here.)
> Third, this greatly increases the complexity of a “first working
> prototype” for a language like OpenMP because you can’t exclude
> REDUCTION clauses. Fourth, I believe array privatization is even
> harder; more generally, you cannot rely on heroic compiler
> optimizations to take the place of explicit language directives.
As above, it is not about automatic parallelization of sequential
program but expressing parallel constructs and reasoning about them
afterwards. The latter is a different and often much easier problem.
> I may be showing my age, but I co-wrote a full HPF-to-MPI
> source-to-source compiler in the late 1990s at Rice University with
> some quite sophisticated optimizations [1,2], and we and others in the
> HPF compiler community — both product and research teams — encountered
> many cases where compiler analyses were inadequate. There is a
> credible view that HPF failed despite very high hopes and significant
> industry and research investment because it relied too much on heroic
> compiler technology.
>
> [1] http://vadve.web.engr.illinois.edu/Papers/set_framework.pldi98.ps
> (PLDI 1998) [2]
> http://vadve.web.engr.illinois.edu/Papers/SC98.NASBenchmarksStudy/dhpfsc98.pdf
> (SC 1998)
>
> -—Vikram
>
> // Vikram S. Adve // Professor, Department of Computer Science //
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign // vadve at illinois.edu //
> http://llvm.org
As a final remark I want to stress that a lot of the problems or
complications you mention do not go away with region annotations and/or
intrinsics/metadata. We always have to extract high-level knowledge from
low-level constructs, the question is only how these constructs will
look like. I try to argue that simple low-level constructs are just
better suited for the job as they are easier to understand and
transformed by existing passes. Nevertheless, the will always be cases
we cannot handle well in IR and which should be optimized prior, similar
to the optimizations functional languages do prior to the LLVM IR.
Cheers,
Johannes
> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:20 AM, via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:30:51 +0100 From: Johannes Doerfert via
> > llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> To: Hal Finkel <hfinkel at anl.gov>
> > Cc: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>, Simon Moll
> > <moll at cs.uni-saarland.de> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC] IR-level
> > Region Annotations Message-ID:
> > <20170119153050.GB26909 at arch-linux-jd.home> Content-Type:
> > text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Hal, Hi Xinmin,
> >
> > First let me thank you for pushing in this direction, it means more
> > people are interested in some kind of change here.
> >
> > While "our" RFC will be sent out next week I want to comment on a
> > specific point of this one right now:
> >
> >> [...] (b) Add several new LLVM instructions such as, for
> >> parallelism, fork, spawn, join, barrier, etc. [...]
> >
> > For me fork and spawn are serving the same purpose, most new schemes
> > suggested three new instructions in total.
> >
> >> Options | Pros | Cons [...] (b) | Parallelism
> >> becomes | Huge effort for extending all LLVM passes and | first
> >> class citizen | code generation to support new instructions. | |
> >> A large set of information still needs to be | | represented using
> >> other means. [...]
> >
> > I am especially curious where you get your data from. Tapir [0] (and
> > to some degree PIR [1]) have shown that, counterintuitively, only a
> > few changes to LLVM passes are needed. Tapir was recently used in an
> > MIT class with a lot of students and it seemed to work well with
> > only minimal changes to analysis and especially transformation
> > passes.
> >
> > Also the "code generation" issues you mention do, in my opinion,
> > apply to _all_ proposed schemes as all have to be lowered to either
> > sequential code or parallel library runtime calls eventually. The
> > sequentialization for our new Tapir/PIR hybrid has less than 50
> > lines and generating parallel runtime calls will probably be similar
> > in all schemes anyway.
> >
> > Regarding the last point, "A large set of information still needs to
> > be represented using other means", I am curious why this is a bad
> > thing. I think IR should be simple, each instruction/intrinsic etc.
> > should have clear and minimal semantics. Also I think we already
> > have a lot of simple constructs in the IR to express high-level
> > information properly, e.g. 'atomicrmw' instructions for high-level
> > reduction. While we currently lack analysis passes to extract
> > information from such low-level representations, these are certainly
> > possible [2,3]. I would argue that such analysis are a better way to
> > do things than placing "high-level intrinsics" in the IR to mark
> > things like reductions.
> >
> > Cheers, Johannes, on behalf of the Tapir and PIR team
> >
> > [0]
> > https://cpc2016.infor.uva.es/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CPC2016_paper_12.pdf
> > [1]
> > http://compilers.cs.uni-saarland.de/people/doerfert/parallelcfg.pdf
> > [2] Section 3 in https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.07716 [3] Section 3.2
> > and 3.3 in
> > https://www.st.cs.uni-saarland.de/publications/files/streit-taco-2015.pdf
>
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