[llvm-dev] Resuming the discussion of establishing an LLVM code of conduct

[Philip Reames via llvm-dev]

+1.  I don't feel a strong need for it, but if this addresses some of 
the concerns about verbosity, I see no harm in it.

On 05/06/2016 09:16 AM, Owen Anderson via llvm-dev wrote:
> +1 as well.  I like this suggestion a lot.
>
> —Owen
>
>> On May 6, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Neil Henning via llvm-dev 
>> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 for this TL;DR suggestion - you can guarantee most people would 
>> read < 7 short bullet points.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -Neil.
>>
>> On 06/05/16 15:53, Arnaud Allard de Grandmaison via llvm-dev wrote:
>>> For what it's worth, I think this is an improved version of the CoC, 
>>> and I'm OK with it. Thanks to Chandler and all those who have been 
>>> working on it.
>>>
>>> It's not perfect --- and will never be --- but that's a good base to 
>>> settle on. We can always evolve it later based on real life feedback.
>>>
>>> My only suggestion for improvement would be to add something like 
>>> this at the top of the document (in rst parlance):
>>>
>>> +The following behaviours are expected in the LLVM community:
>>> +
>>> +* `be friendly and patient`_,
>>> +
>>> +* `be welcoming`_,
>>> +
>>> +* `be considerate`_,
>>> +
>>> +* `be respectful`_,
>>> +
>>> +* `be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others`_,
>>> +
>>> +* `when we disagree, try to understand why`_.
>>> +
>>>
>>> First, this is the first thing you see when pointing a web brower to 
>>> the CoC page. Second, this would give a TL;DR summary of the CoC, 
>>> hopefully addressing the "Wall of Text" effect. And last, it acts as 
>>> a table of content, and people interested in the 
>>> nitty-gritty details / context can click the links or just continue 
>>> to read the full text.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> --
>>> Arnaud
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Krzysztof Parzyszek via llvm-dev 
>>> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 5/5/2016 4:19 PM, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev wrote:
>>>
>>>         Having a code of conduct like this is just as bad as having
>>>         no code of conduct at all. It trivializes the importance of
>>>         a code of conduct and its pretty much impossible to enforce.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Code of conduct should reflect the community standards, not
>>>     define them. These standards come from the minds of the members
>>>     of the community. A CoC that states this much and outlines the
>>>     core principles underlying these standards is a statement of
>>>     faith in the community itself. It stresses the fact that the
>>>     community can enforce its own standards, and in doing so be
>>>     guided by the core principle of respect, and not by a list of
>>>     prohibited behaviors.
>>>
>>>     I believe that it will behoove each member treat others with
>>>     respect and to oppose unacceptable actions. When the enforcement
>>>     of such standards comes from the genuine conviction, and not
>>>     simply from a document, it strenghtens the community as a whole.
>>>     Pointing to a document only invites searching for potential
>>>     loopholes.
>>>
>>>     -Krzysztof
>>>
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