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+1. I don't feel a strong need for it, but if this addresses some
of the concerns about verbosity, I see no harm in it. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/06/2016 09:16 AM, Owen Anderson
via llvm-dev wrote:<br>
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+1 as well. I like this suggestion a lot.
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<div class="">On May 6, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Neil Henning via
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this TL;DR suggestion - you can guarantee most people
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/16 15:53, Arnaud
Allard de Grandmaison via llvm-dev wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">For what it's worth, I think
this is an improved version of the CoC, and I'm OK
with it. Thanks to Chandler and all those who have
been working on it.
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<div class="">It's not perfect --- and will never be
--- but that's a good base to settle on. We can
always evolve it later based on real life
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<div class="">My only suggestion for improvement
would be to add something like this at the top of
the document (in rst parlance):</div>
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in the LLVM community: </span></div>
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+* `be friendly and patient`_, <br class="">
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+* `be welcoming`_, <br class="">
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+* `be considerate`_, <br class="">
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+* `be respectful`_, <br class="">
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+* `be careful in the words that you choose and be
kind to others`_, <br class="">
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+* `when we disagree, try to understand why`_. <br
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</span>First, this is the first thing you see when
pointing a web brower to the CoC page. Second, this
would give a TL;DR summary of the CoC, hopefully
addressing the "Wall of Text" effect. And last, it
acts as a table of content, and people interested in
the nitty-gritty details / context can click the
links or just continue to read the full text.
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PM, Krzysztof Parzyszek via llvm-dev <span
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5/5/2016 4:19 PM, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Having a code
of conduct like this is just as bad as
having no code of conduct at all. It
trivializes the importance of a code of
conduct and its pretty much impossible to
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</span> Code of conduct should reflect the
community standards, not define them. These
standards come from the minds of the members of
the community. A CoC that states this much and
outlines the core principles underlying these
standards is a statement of faith in the
community itself. It stresses the fact that the
community can enforce its own standards, and in
doing so be guided by the core principle of
respect, and not by a list of prohibited
behaviors.<br class="">
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I believe that it will behoove each member treat
others with respect and to oppose unacceptable
actions. When the enforcement of such standards
comes from the genuine conviction, and not
simply from a document, it strenghtens the
community as a whole. Pointing to a document
only invites searching for potential loopholes.<br
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