[llvm-dev] Resuming the discussion of establishing an LLVM code of conduct

[Neil Henning via llvm-dev]

+1 for this TL;DR suggestion - you can guarantee most people would read 
< 7 short bullet points.

Cheers,

-Neil.

On 06/05/16 15:53, Arnaud Allard de Grandmaison via llvm-dev wrote:
> For what it's worth, I think this is an improved version of the CoC, 
> and I'm OK with it. Thanks to Chandler and all those who have been 
> working on it.
>
> It's not perfect --- and will never be --- but that's a good base to 
> settle on. We can always evolve it later based on real life feedback.
>
> My only suggestion for improvement would be to add something like this 
> at the top of the document (in rst parlance):
>
> +The following behaviours are expected in the LLVM community:
> +
> +* `be friendly and patient`_,
> +
> +* `be welcoming`_,
> +
> +* `be considerate`_,
> +
> +* `be respectful`_,
> +
> +* `be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others`_,
> +
> +* `when we disagree, try to understand why`_.
> +
>
> First, this is the first thing you see when pointing a web brower to 
> the CoC page. Second, this would give a TL;DR summary of the CoC, 
> hopefully addressing the "Wall of Text" effect. And last, it acts as a 
> table of content, and people interested in the nitty-gritty details / 
> context can click the links or just continue to read the full text.
>
> My 2 cents,
> --
> Arnaud
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Krzysztof Parzyszek via llvm-dev 
> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>
>     On 5/5/2016 4:19 PM, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev wrote:
>
>         Having a code of conduct like this is just as bad as having no
>         code of conduct at all. It trivializes the importance of a
>         code of conduct and its pretty much impossible to enforce.
>
>
>     Code of conduct should reflect the community standards, not define
>     them. These standards come from the minds of the members of the
>     community. A CoC that states this much and outlines the core
>     principles underlying these standards is a statement of faith in
>     the community itself. It stresses the fact that the community can
>     enforce its own standards, and in doing so be guided by the core
>     principle of respect, and not by a list of prohibited behaviors.
>
>     I believe that it will behoove each member treat others with
>     respect and to oppose unacceptable actions. When the enforcement
>     of such standards comes from the genuine conviction, and not
>     simply from a document, it strenghtens the community as a whole.
>     Pointing to a document only invites searching for potential loopholes.
>
>     -Krzysztof
>
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