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+1 for this TL;DR suggestion - you can guarantee most people would
read < 7 short bullet points.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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-Neil.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/16 15:53, Arnaud Allard de
Grandmaison via llvm-dev wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">For what it's worth, I think this is an improved
version of the CoC, and I'm OK with it. Thanks to Chandler and
all those who have been working on it.
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<div>It's not perfect --- and will never be --- but that's a
good base to settle on. We can always evolve it later based on
real life feedback.</div>
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<div>My only suggestion for improvement would be to add
something like this at the top of the document (in rst
parlance):</div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:monospace">+The
following behaviours are expected in the LLVM community: </span></div>
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+* `be friendly and patient`_,
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+* `be welcoming`_,
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+
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+* `be considerate`_,
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+* `be respectful`_,
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+* `be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to
others`_,
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+* `when we disagree, try to understand why`_.
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+<br>
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</span>First, this is the first thing you see when pointing a
web brower to the CoC page. Second, this would give a TL;DR
summary of the CoC, hopefully addressing the "Wall of Text"
effect. And last, it acts as a table of content, and people
interested in the nitty-gritty details / context can click the
links or just continue to read the full text.
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<div>My 2 cents,</div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Arnaud<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM,
Krzysztof Parzyszek via llvm-dev <span dir="ltr"><<a
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class="">On 5/5/2016 4:19 PM, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev
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Having a code of conduct like this is just as bad as
having no code of conduct at all. It trivializes the
importance of a code of conduct and its pretty much
impossible to enforce.<br>
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Code of conduct should reflect the community standards, not
define them. These standards come from the minds of the
members of the community. A CoC that states this much and
outlines the core principles underlying these standards is a
statement of faith in the community itself. It stresses the
fact that the community can enforce its own standards, and
in doing so be guided by the core principle of respect, and
not by a list of prohibited behaviors.<br>
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I believe that it will behoove each member treat others with
respect and to oppose unacceptable actions. When the
enforcement of such standards comes from the genuine
conviction, and not simply from a document, it strenghtens
the community as a whole. Pointing to a document only
invites searching for potential loopholes.<br>
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-Krzysztof<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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Aurora Forum, hosted by The Linux Foundation<br>
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