[LLVMdev] [cfe-dev] [ADVERTISEMENT] open positions in Apple's Swift compiler team

[John Criswell]

Dear All,

Historically, we *have* permitted job announcements for jobs that 
require or desire expertise with LLVM or one of it's sub-projects.  To 
the best of my knowledge, we've never required that the position 
announcement state that the job will contribute directly to the LLVM 
project (or its sub-projects) or that the code created by the position 
be open source.

As an example, please see 
http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2014-May/072938.html and 
http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2010-August/033695.html.

Using this criteria, I believe that Ted's post is on-topic (although I 
agree that it should have stated the connection with LLVM more prominently).

If there is now an official policy that I've overlooked stating 
otherwise, please let me know.

Regards,

John Criswell


On 6/11/14, 8:39 AM, Chandler Carruth wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Ted Kremenek <kremenek at apple.com 
> <mailto:kremenek at apple.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Jun 10, 2014, at 5:36 PM, C. Bergström
>     <cbergstrom at pathscale.com <mailto:cbergstrom at pathscale.com>> wrote:
>
>     > On 06/11/14 06:58 AM, Ted Kremenek wrote:
>     >> ** NOTE: This is a compiler job announcement. **
>     >>
>     >> The Apple Source Languages team is looking for exceptional
>     engineers to work on the Swift programming language:
>     > Maybe this has been asked already and I missed it - Will Swift
>     be open source?
>
>     At this time, we honestly don't know the answer yet to that question.
>
>
> Ted, we've routinely pushed back strongly against job postings for 
> compiler jobs that aren't specifically working on LLVM, Clang, or some 
> other part of the LLVM project.
>
> If Swift ends up open source, and if it ends up as part of the LLVM 
> project (neither of which seem clear as you say), only then would it 
> seem appropriate to send this kind of job ad email to these lists.
>
> This is the second off-topic job posting in the last few weeks, so I'm 
> particularly sensitive. I really don't want the lists to become 
> cluttered here.
>
> Thanks,
> -Chandler
>
>
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