[LLVMdev] LLVM as a DLL

[Tanya Lattner]

While constructive criticism is always welcome, nothing will change  
unless people contribute. Your "point" has been made (regardless if  
the point has changed over time). You feel the need to keep repeating  
that LLVM is not a COMPLETE backend. Fine, thats your opinion based  
upon your definition of a complete backend. Point made. Please move on.

If LLVM does not compile with MSVS 2008, then please provide patches.  
We currently do not have many people developing on Windows, so unless  
someone steps up and helps, it will never get better.

LLVM is an open source project. You can not expect people who work on  
it in their free time to magically do all the work that you require  
to make your customers happy.  You have to do your part too.

-Tanya


On May 12, 2008, at 11:30 PM, kr512 wrote:

>
>
> Michael T. Richter wrote:
>> Apparently the APIs in the LLVM docs missed your
>> attention.  They're sneaky that way because, you know,
>> they just form the bulk of available documentation.
>
> I began my original message saying that I was providing
> "constructive criticism".  That means I want to HELP if I
> can.  Your sarcastic attitude is unprofessional.
>
>> The command-line tools are convenience wrappers around the
>> APIs, not the other way around.
>
> Nevertheless, LLVM is not provided as a ready-to-use DLL,
> unfortunately.
>
>> I'm sure the LLVM lead (Chris, was it?) will gratefully
>> accept any such functioning, tested code you can supply
>> that generates the native object format you prefer.  This
>> is, after all, how open source projects work for the most
>> part.
>
> Your arrogant attitude is surprising considering that you
> are not even sure who the LLVM lead(s) is.
>
> Would love to contribute code to LLVM but circumstances do
> not permit it at the present time, maybe later.
>
>> So... here's a thought.  Why don't you do that one-time
>> work and host the compiled package up on a web page
>> somewhere as a service to this open source community that
>> will so eagerly embrace it?
>
> LLVM currently fails to compile successfully in Microsoft
> Visual Studio 2008.
>
>>> GCC needs to be cut out of the back-end picture.
> [...]
>> So... your world doesn't include "gas" or "nasm" or any
>> other such assembler?  You know.  The "gas" that GCC
>> itself uses to assemble the .S files?
>
> Then "gas" (GNU Assembler) needs to be cut out of the
> back-end picture of LLVM.  If "gas" is required, then LLVM
> is an incomplete back-end solution.  Also, "gas" is not
> available on Windoze.  I talk about this in more detail in
> my other thread.
>
> As for NASM, NASM outputs unfinished object files that
> cannot be executed.  To translate the object files into
> executable programs, a separate linker program must be used,
> and such a linker program is not normally
> available/installed on customer's computers running Windoze.
> See my other thread.
>
> Owen Anderson wrote:
>> have you actually downloaded and built a copy of LLVM?
>> I'm going to guess that the answer is no
>
> LLVM fails to compile successfully in Microsoft Visual
> Studio 2008.  See the email by Razvan Aciu.  The point is
> that LLVM is difficult/awkward to use in a real-world
> situation in Windoze.  This situation should be resolved.
>
> Look at what the sqlite.org project provides, for example.
>
>
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