[PATCH] D13741: Introduce a *draft* of a code of conduct for the LLVM community and theassociated reporting guide.

[Chandler Carruth via llvm-commits]

chandlerc added inline comments.

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Comment at: docs/CodeOfConduct.rst:25
@@ +24,3 @@
+spaces. In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect
+a person's ability to participate within them.
+
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rengolin wrote:
> Too many people feel very strongly about this to warrant some more substantial changes.
> 
> I personally feel this is not so bad for two things:
> 
> 1. It says "may affect", not "will affect". Not a very strong point per se, but strong enough given point two.
> 
> 2. Being unfair in the evaluation and punishment of cases like that would go directly against this very code. Blocking someone because they were seen with a silly T-shirt in their Facebook pictures will be a clear case of bullying, and thus could be reported by this very code.
> 
> If the committee is really serious about bullying, then the committee will put itself on the list of potential offenders, and they should be judged in the same manner.
> 
> If they don't, than we have much bigger problems that the code itself...
FWIW, I wasn't trying to ignore this part, just trying to keep the discussion about it on the other thread. Already replied there.

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Comment at: docs/ReportingGuide.rst:11
@@ +10,3 @@
+If you believe someone is violating the :doc:`code of conduct <CodeOfConduct>`
+you can always report it to the LLVM Foundation Code of Conduct Advisory
+Committee by emailing conduct at llvm.org. **All reports will be kept
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rengolin wrote:
> I don't feel strongly about this. "might" seems worse than "is", I think.
Ok, leaving this sentence as-is unless better suggestions or stronger opinions come up. Thanks!

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Comment at: docs/ReportingGuide.rst:49
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+  were other witnesses besides you, please try to include them as well.
+* When and where the incident occurred. Please be as specific as possible.
+* Your account of what occurred. If there is a publicly available record (e.g.
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rengolin wrote:
> When related to witnesses, this is a cultural issue.
> 
> Unless there is a criminal investigation going, people in some countries (including the UK) feel *very* uncomfortable to be included in someone's else personal discussion. Doing so would clearly be marked as bullying and violate the CoC.
> 
> If we want people in other countries to also feel safe, we need to word in a way that they can understand their cultural issues will make them feel safe.
I don't think there is a very useful way to avoid a report *privately* stating who that person recalls being present.

Their memory as relayed to tho committee is just that though: their memory. The committee is going to have to ask politely whether folks were involved or not. And even the discussion of who was involved, and any communication the committee does to them, *all* of that is (I think at least) clearly under the confidential and private clause. Not just from anyone, but even from the person who reported the issue. Until people give their express OK to have something said publicly, none of this should ever get shared.

Is that enough? (I genuinely don't know. I checked this some time ago with some folks from Europe, but I don't know how carefully they looked at this particular issue, or they may just not have concerns or thoughts about this.)


http://reviews.llvm.org/D13741