[llvm-dev] Resuming the discussion of establishing an LLVM code of conduct

Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Thu May 5 18:21:36 PDT 2016

The actual role of the Foundation is off-topic here; I was expressing my interpretation of something, in order to contrast it with Chris' (IMO less benign) expressed interpretation.
I'm happy to talk about the Foundation on another thread if anyone wants to.
Chandler, I have never doubted your level of personal commitment to a CoC; that has been crystal clear since the beginning. Nor am I opposed to a CoC in principle, nor do I think the wordsmithing is all that crucial. But as it was an agenda item at two Foundation board meetings, it's harder to accept that it is *purely* an individual contribution.

From: Chandler Carruth [mailto:chandlerc at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 5:52 PM
To: Robinson, Paul; Chris Lattner; Renato Golin
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Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Resuming the discussion of establishing an LLVM code of conduct

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:07 PM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: llvm-dev [mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org>] On Behalf Of Chris
> Lattner via llvm-dev

> While I have no way to compel you to believe me, I really really do want
> the LLVM community to be vibrant and awesome, and it makes me sad that you
> apparently assume otherwise.
> -Chris

I don't read it as "nefariously harm" so much as ex-nihilo asserting
a Foundation exists and has some kind of control over the community
(e.g., insisting on a CoC).

I want to be super clear, the foundation is not insisting on anything, nor can it.

**I** am making this proposal as an active and long time contributor to LLVM. Many other members of the community have also expressed support for this on this and previous threads. But our support is given as individual members of the community and it should be valued as such.

I also want to say very clearly that for me, having a code of conduct that satisfies certain basic criteria isn't just incredibly important for me, personally. It is absolutely **essential**. I personally need this. Perhaps I'm wrong for needing it, and you or others may not understand or agree or even care. I don't expect any of that. But since I think it helps for folks to be explicit about the degree to which they care, I wanted to volunteer to be explicit.

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