[llvm-dev] RFC: Introducing an LLVM Community Code of Conduct

Renato Golin via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Wed Oct 14 13:02:41 PDT 2015

On 14 October 2015 at 20:35, Tanya Lattner via llvm-dev
<llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> Related specifically to the developers meeting, we are growing quite
> rapidly. For the past few years, we have been increasing our attendance from
> 50 at the start to now over 350 attendees. With this many people (and many
> new to the community), it seems important to have a code of conduct to refer
> to and possibly *prevent* any incidents from happening. And for some people
> (not sure exact percentage), it makes them feel more comfortable attending a
> conference that has a code of conduct.

Just an honest and simple question: would it make sense to have a
different code of conduct for meetings and the rest?

I know it sounds like a bad idea, but my rationale is that maybe this
would at least solve some of the points that socially inept people
feel pressure on the current proposal.

Because the consequences of a physical meeting can be a lot tougher
than any electronic one, and because timing is of the essence, the
wording *has* to be stronger and an executive decision has to be

But such strong wording and harsh unappealable consequences do make
us, of the anti-social variety, very frightened. We grew in a world
that never made sense, and we have suffered our childhoods and
adulthoods in constant fear of irrational (to our minds) reprimands.
This is not a simple matter, it's quite real and have made me
seriously consider many times leaving the open source realm for good.
I have left jobs and regressed in my career because of things like

>From the very wording in the proposed CoC, we don't want to leave
anyone behind, including physical and mental disabilities. If that's
true, and we really mean it, than imposing such a harsh CoC from the
majority of opinions is exactly the opposite of that. People like me
are clearly not the majority, the NAS UK estimates 1 every 100 people
in England has some form of autism, but that's the whole point of a
CoC, is to not forget about the people with some form of fragility.

By the replies I've seen so far, there were others that feel the same
way, and I wonder if they're also feeling a little uncomfortable with
the wording.

Disclaimer: This is not personal nor an accusation, I know you
wouldn't do anything to upset anyone. I'm just trying to solve a
problem that I can see people have, but can't express without looking
rude. I'm *really* sorry, but we just sound rude, we're not really,
and I do appreciate when people remind me if I slip up.

Just my two cents.


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