[LLVMdev] [fwd] Re: LLVM Compiler Infrastructure

Chris Lattner sabre at nondot.org
Tue Nov 1 23:16:36 PST 2005

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Yiping Fan wrote:

> Chris, thank you for your reply.
> Our problem is that we don't assume an integer must have 32 bits.
> In our code generation, we can define an integer to be less than 32 bits.
> For example, 24 bits.
> In this case, by executing this LLVM code (my first example) on a 24-bit
> machine, let x = 0xFFFFFF,
> then we will get %tmp.2 = 0x003FFF, and %tmp.3 = 0x3FFF, which is positive.
> That is not correct because
> the sign flag is lost.

There is something wrong in your compiler then, because you are not 
honoring the semantics of the LLVM code.  As long as LLVM thinks that 
things are 32-bits and you're implementing them as 24-bits you will 
continue to run into problems like this.  The correct, but invasive, thing 
to do is to add a 24-bit type to LLVM.

> I know that this transformation is correct and may be efficient for a 
> 32-bit machine of course. But it introduces the problem above in our 
> scenario, and we would like the LLVM code without this cast-to-unsigned 
> transformation. For unsigned shifting, there is no such problem though.
> So you suggested that maybe we can skip the 'instcombine' pass to disable
> this transformation?

To avoid this transformation, if it is sufficient for your purposes, yes, 
disabling instcombine should do it.


> On 11/1/05, Chris Lattner <sabre at nondot.org> wrote:
>>> Now we got a small but annoying problem. When we get the following C
>>> code to llvm-gcc,
>>> short test(int x) {
>>> return (short) (x >> 10);
>>> }
>>> It will generate the following LLVM code:
>>> short %test(int %x) {
>>> %x = cast int %x to uint ; <uint> [#uses=1]
>>> %tmp.2 = shr uint %x, ubyte 10 ; <uint> [#uses=1]
>>> %tmp.3 = cast uint %tmp.2 to short ; <short> [#uses=1]
>>> ret short %tmp.3
>>> }
>> ok.
>>> Basically, LLVM frontend will first convert an integer to unsigned
>>> integer, and then do shifting. It seems that this conversion often
>>> occurs for SHIFTING operations.
>> The cast from 'int' to 'uint' changes the semantics of the shift from
>> being an arithmetic shift to a logical shift.
>>> So our question is that do you know there is any option in LLVM to
>>> disable this kind of cast-to-unsigned code generation?
>> No.
>> I'm not sure exactly why you don't like the code above, but here's the
>> basic idea that we're following:
>> 1. All code generators have to support all operations, no exceptions. The
>> above code should *work* for you, no matter what.
>> 2. Performance, on the other hand, is different. It is quite possible
>> that some code will result in really lousy machine code or even a call
>> to a library support routine if it doesn't map to the hardware well.
>> Because of this, the optimizers are occasionally aware of things that
>> are bad for targets.
>> In the case above, the cast from "int to uint" results in no code. The
>> optimization being done is probably performed by the 'instcombine' pass,
>> as it is strength reducing an arithmetic shift right into a logical shift
>> right. It currently assumes that a logical shift is always at least as
>> cheap as an arithmetic shift: this is true for all targets that I am aware
>> of, and certainly true for all that LLVM supports currently.
>> An important part of this discussion is that the sign flag in this
>> function does not matter, thus it is safe to convert one shift into the
>> other.
>>> Although it is correct for 32-bit general purpose processor, it does not
>>> fit well for hardware synthesis, since we need to use wider components
>>> (up to 32-bit) to implement these operations, otherwise we may lose sign
>>> flag. Our favorite LLVM code is that without (or with very few) CAST,
>>> and doing the SHR directly for the signed integers.
>> I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Can you please
>> clarify whether:
>> 1. signed shift is cheaper than logical/unsigned shift, or
>> 2. the cast is causing the problem?
>> For example, is this code:
>> short %test(uint %x) {
>> %tmp.2 = shr uint %x, ubyte 10 ; <uint> [#uses=1]
>> %tmp.3 = cast uint %tmp.2 to short ; <short> [#uses=1]
>> ret short %tmp.3
>> }
>> okay for you? It has no cast, but does the same operations as the above
>> code.
>> If so, I would argue strongly that this is a bug/missing-feature from your
>> code generator. The two pieces of code should generate *exactly* the same
>> machine code (or circuits :) ).
>> -Chris
>> --
>> http://nondot.org/sabre/
>> http://llvm.org/



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