[Openmp-dev] [llvm-dev] [cfe-dev] Mailing List Status Update

Renato Golin via Openmp-dev openmp-dev at lists.llvm.org
Wed Jun 23 08:59:00 PDT 2021

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 at 13:59, Tobias Hieta via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> I am very active in the Discord and try my best to help people and
> while I often refer people to post to the mailing list if they can't
> find an answer, I have never and never seen anyone direct new people
> to the IRC channel.

Well, it's not surprising that people who use Discord don't propose the use
of IRC (and vice versa), but this doesn't make the community less fractured.

One thing I haven't seen in this discussion is the fact that Discord
> and Discourse is way more approachable for people who haven't used IRC
> and email their whole life. I understand there must be a balance
> between keeping current contributors happy and attracting new ones.
> But keeping discussions in the mail-list over discourse would (In MY
> opinion) favor current/older contributors way higher than newer ones.

Attracting new people is very important for open source projects. Older
people (like me) tend to be a lot less passionate about changes. But this
is not a goal per se, just a constraint on other goals.

The main objective of the list is to discuss the project, long and hard
issues, and both old and new people can use mailing lists with pretty much
any mail client out there.

If the argument to move to Discourse is because it's better for long and
hard discussions for the majority of the community, then that's a clear

If it's just because it's where all the cool kids are these days, then I
think we're looking for the wrong goals.

5 years ago, all cool kids (*) were using Slack, now they're using
Discourse / Discord, who knows where they'll all be in 5 years time?

I don't think popularity should be a factor in choosing a new tool, or
we'll be eternally chasing doomed platforms.


PS (*): My definition of "cool kids" may be different than yours, Slack
probably was never "cool" for the masses... But we're hopefully not
considering Instagram any time soon. :D
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