[llvm-foundation] Purpose of this list

[Chris Lattner via llvm-foundation]

Right, I agree with Tanya that most of the topics you mentioned seem on topic for this list.  The only thing I’d disagree with is the concern about “distracting” llvm-dev and other lists with noisy discussions.  Those discussions will be noisy wherever they go, and I think it is important to be as inclusive as possible there.

-Chris

> On May 23, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Tanya Lattner via llvm-foundation <llvm-foundation at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure what the right answer is. I say just post what you wish here and we can decide if it needs a different or larger audience (or when). I just created it as a place to discuss LLVM foundation and anything related to it. Most of the topics below would fit into that category. 
> 
> -Tanya
> 
>> On May 23, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-foundation <llvm-foundation at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> It would be good to have a list of topics that are on/off for this
>> list, as I really didn't get the idea right.
>> 
>> A few things I imagine _could_ be on topic:
>> 
>> * Discussions about the US and Euro LLVM meetings' _organization_? We
>> currently use CC for all people, and that definitely doesn't scale.
>> The llvm-devmeeting would probably remain as announcements? Or maybe
>> that'd be better as a separate list?
>> 
>> * Infrastructure plans? We already have llvm-admin@ for problems and
>> requests, but this list could be used for more mid/long term planning
>> (not big discussions, final decisions)? Seems like Tanya agree.
>> 
>> * Inclusion initiatives? We don't have a proper channel for that yet,
>> but I wouldn't see an add for a "women in tech" conference or
>> initiative in this list as spam or even off topic. I think this is the
>> right channel...
>> 
>> As both Chris and Tanya suggested, more critical discussions
>> (policies, tools) should take place in the main lists, but there is
>> one issue with that (and this is really just an innocent proposal):
>> 
>> People complained about threads like the code of conduct, commit
>> message policy, and others that are important to the project, but not
>> to all developers. They found that they are very disruptive, and that
>> we could keep it in a separate place. But important discussions cannot
>> happen on a side list, so maybe, we could reach a middle-ground...
>> 
>> What if we kept those discussions here, but sent a few warning
>> messages to the main lists, that the discussion was happening,
>> throughout the development of the discussion?
>> 
>> Example: on the code of conduct, a warning call that, all interested
>> in discussing should subscribe to this list.
>> 
>> Then, as we reach milestones, summary emails could be sent out. We
>> probably only had one milestone, so not much spam, but a short summary
>> can attract people if they feel we diverged too much.
>> 
>> In the end, no decision is taken unless people agree on the main
>> lists. The final call for decision has to include the archived threads
>> of all discussions, and a short list of recommendations, so people
>> that weren't included can still take an informed decision.
>> 
>> Overall, three well written emails to the main lists, while 100s of
>> emails (some flames) were all kept away from the core purpose of the
>> community, which is to produce software. :)
>> 
>> Of course, the final email can side-track and a whole new discussion
>> start again, but if we manage to keep most of it in a separate list,
>> still with visibility to the main lists, it's a positive change,
>> right?
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> cheers,
>> --renato
>> 
>> PS: To avoid misunderstandings, this is a request for comment, and
>> some opinions to support my request.
>> PS2: I'm opening a new thread as to not hijack the other.
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