[llvm-dev] Beginning developer questions

Tue Jan 12 10:12:50 PST 2021

Hi Madhur,

I'm not sure either... The thing is, LLVM devs are paid and there are
versions of LLVM developed by companies that require payment. However,
these are not initiated by the LLVM Foundation
AFAIK. Maybe the last point though is.

I think this is an interesting issue, I CC'd Tanya Lattner who may be able
to help.

Best,
Stefanos

Στις Τρί, 12 Ιαν 2021 στις 7:52 μ.μ., ο/η Deep Majumder <
deep.majumder2019 at gmail.com> έγραψε:

> Hi Stefanos and Madhur,
> Of course it would be great if LLVM is given licenses by JetBrains as it
> would benefit many people(I guess) working on this project who are not
> students.
> I am a student and so have a free license anyway.
> Also, thank you David for the link.
> Warm Regards,
> Deep
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 11:17 PM Madhur Amilkanthwar <
> madhur13490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stefanos,
>> Speaking of CLion, their page
>> <https://www.jetbrains.com/community/opensource/#support> says open
>> source projects can qualify for free licenses. I am not sure if LLVM
>> community qualifies as per the below required qualifications:
>>
>> *Do not pay their core project developers. *
>>
>>    - *Meet the Open Source <https://opensource.org/docs/osd> definition.*
>>    -
>> - *Are in active development, i.e. new code commits are submitted
>>    regularly within the past 3 months.*
>>    -
>> - *Do not provide paid versions of open source software or any
>>    commercial services around the Open Source project (e.g. paid support,
>>    consulting, etc).*
>>    -
>> - *Are not funded by commercial companies or organizations (NGO,
>>    educational, research, or governmental).*
>>    -
>> -
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:31 PM David Blaikie via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:35 AM Deep Majumder via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for the advice! I am able to build LLVM now without
>>>> causing my laptop to thrash. Also as I understand that for auto-complete in
>>>> LLVM, Linux is not the best place to be. Also, thanks for the
>>>> Doxygen-generated docs link.
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you're more vim/emacs than IDE - I use
>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Vim/YouCompleteMe and
>>> compile_commands.json generated from the ninja build I think (maybe it's
>>> generated by cmake? I forget)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Deep
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:03 AM Craig Topper <craig.topper at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:07 PM Stefanos Baziotis via llvm-dev <
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Deep,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Kind of. There's Doxygen generated from source automatically,
>>>>>> which shows you many things e.g., members of a type along with some short
>>>>>> documentation (which is taken from the code). It also shows you the
>>>>>> inheritance tree related to this type
>>>>>> Here's an example:
>>>>>> https://llvm.org/doxygen/classllvm_1_1LoopInfo.html
>>>>>> It doesn't really matter what this is for now, but you can see e.g.,
>>>>>> that LoopInfo inherits from LoopInfoBase. If you scroll down, you can click
>>>>>> to different members and go to a more detailed description further down.
>>>>>> You can open the dropdown menus (e.g., public
>>>>>> functions inherited). And finally, at the top, you can see the file
>>>>>> it appears at. In general, I think that if you start clicking stuff, it's
>>>>>> going to make sense, it's relatively intuitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Try minimizing the number of parallel threads used. I think by
>>>>>> default Ninja uses all the available threads which in most machines will
>>>>>> fill up the RAM. To limit them, use the -j argument like this: ninja -j8
>>>>>> Another thing that will probably be useful in general is that you can
>>>>>> choose to build specific sub-projects instead of building the whole thing,
>>>>>> like this: ninja -j8 opt
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also use -DLLVM_PARALLEL_LINK_JOBS=<number> on your cmake
>>>>> command to limit just the number of linking jobs that can run in parallel.
>>>>> -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DLLVM_ENABLE_ASSERTIONS=ON can be a useful
>>>>> build configuration that you gets you debug logging and assertions, but you
>>>>> won't have debug symbols for gdb. There's also
>>>>> -DLLVM_USE_SPLIT_DWARF. All of these options are covered here
>>>>> https://llvm.org/docs/GettingStarted.html#common-problems
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Ok, first of all, if you only care about editing and not debugging
>>>>>> LLVM (i.e. launching it with a debugger like gdb), then editors like Vim,
>>>>>> Emacs, 4coder, maybe Sublime Text should do the job. I think most people
>>>>>> developing LLVM on Linux use something like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, if you're interested in IDEs and / or debuggers, well, the news
>>>>>> in Linux is bad IMHO. For example, in my machine, GDB takes _30 seconds_ to
>>>>>> launch the debug build of opt.
>>>>>> So, I couldn't use any IDE because virtually all use GDB under the
>>>>>> hood. Personally, I switched to Windows + Visual Studio just for this
>>>>>> reason. That was an insane productivity boost for me.
>>>>>> But if you need something that works in Linux, you can maybe try
>>>>>> LLDB. Hopefully it will be faster. If yes, you can maybe try hooking it in
>>>>>> an IDE, which I guess won't be trivial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, as I don't develop LLVM in Linux, other people might have
>>>>>> better suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Stefanos
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Στις Τρί, 12 Ιαν 2021 στις 5:43 π.μ., ο/η Deep Majumder via llvm-dev <
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> έγραψε:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> I have been studying the LLVM IR and now want to get into LLVM
>>>>>>> development. I have a few questions regarding that and I would be really
>>>>>>> grateful to get answers for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) The LangRef is an excellent guide/reference to the IR. Is there
>>>>>>> something similar for the codebase (the core llvm to be specific)? Or do I
>>>>>>> have to generate that from the source, in which case how do I do that?
>>>>>>> 2) I tried building just the llvm sub-project, and that is filling
>>>>>>> up my RAM completely during the linking stages, and sends my laptop
>>>>>>> thrashing. I am using Ninja. Is there a way to mitigate this? (I am on
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 20.04 Linux, 8 GM RAM, 8 GM swap on an HDD).
>>>>>>> 3) VSCode, at least on my laptop, is very sluggish with such large a
>>>>>>> project. Is there any recommended development environment for Linux (or at
>>>>>>> least something that has been found to work well)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your time!
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Deep
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>> *Disclaimer: Views, concerns, thoughts, questions, ideas expressed in
>> this mail are of my own and my employer has no take in it. *
>> Thank You.
>> Madhur D. Amilkanthwar
>>
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