[llvm-dev] LLVM Alias Analysis Technical Call - New Doodle Poll
Hal Finkel via llvm-dev
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Fri Jun 26 07:48:30 PDT 2020
Thanks, everyone. It looks like we do have a time that works for almost
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On 6/24/20 10:33 AM, Finkel, Hal J. wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
> We had a great call last month, and progress is definitely being made
> on several fronts. The notes from our last call are available here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ybwEKDVtIbhIhK50qYtwKsL50K-NvB6LfuBsfepBZ9Y/edit#heading=h.vpxs8lkuxy79
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ybwEKDVtIbhIhK50qYtwKsL50K-NvB6LfuBsfepBZ9Y/edit#heading=h.vpxs8lkuxy79>
>
> and, also, pasted below.
>
> DOODLE POLL:
> As we discussed on our last call, I would like to schedule a regular
> call to discuss alias-analysis issues within LLVM. I've put together
> an initial Doodle poll to pick a time for this call:
> https://doodle.com/poll/9iqfaqttvvic5rfp
> <https://doodle.com/poll/9iqfaqttvvic5rfp>
>
> Please fill out this poll with the understanding that the meeting will
> recur every four weeks. If you're interested in participating, but
> none of the times on the poll would work for you, please let me know.
>
> Notes from our last call:
>
> ****
>
> *
>
> *
>
> Scalability challenges and other issues discovered with the
> current infrastructure (especially, perhaps, with the noalias
> metadata).
>
> o
>
> Issue #1: MDNode::intersect uses O(n^2) algorithm. The
> operation does not scale for large NoAlias sets.
>
> o
>
> Issue #2: ScopedNoAliasAAResult::mayAliasInScopes includes
> overhead (per query) of partitioning the input set based on
> the domain metadata.
>
> o
>
> Issue #3: Memory footprint of the flattened Alias.Scope or
> NoAlias set can be large.
>
> o
>
> Issue #4: correctness: current implementation has problems
> after inlining in a loop.
>
>
> Notes:
>
> *
>
> Jeroen notes that he has not observed scalability issues with the
> “full restrict” implementation.
>
> *
>
> Michael notes that part of the scalability challenge comes from
> the fact that the noalias scheme marks all those things with which
> you don’t alias, but for restrict-like pointers, that’s the
> default for everything in that scope.
>
> *
>
> Tarique notes that there may still be a need for AA from the
> frontend, e.g., for Fortran, above what the C-like restrict provides.
>
> *
>
> Eric asks if anyone is considering a ground-up design to support
> Fortran?
>
> o
>
> Troy notes that we would prefer one representation to cover
> Fortran, C, etc. Fortran is, in some sense, simpler than
> C/C++. Also notes that language-specific AA can be a useful
> technique as well.
>
> o
>
> Johannes notes that other languages, e.g., Rust, can also
> benefit, and we might need something where we can have
> universes, negated aliasing edges, etc.
>
> o
>
> Michael notes that we can chain AA, and so it’s possible to
> have something more domain specific.
>
> o
>
> Hal notes that if we have language-specific MD, we need to
> figure out how to maintain it (otherwise, all of the passes
> will drop it, but maintaining it means that enough of the
> semantics must be available). Jeroen notes that reusing
> in-tree passes maximally reuses correct implementation in
> combination with loop unrolling, etc.
>
>
> *
>
> Proposed solutions: progress, outstanding challenges, how to make
> progress going forward.
>
> o
>
> Proposal #1: (Related to both Issue #1 and Issue #2) In the
> MDNode class, pre-partition the set of Metadata operands where
> each partition is an ordered set of Metadata operands
> belonging to a specific domain.
>
> o
>
> Proposal #2: (Related to Issue #3) Design a hierarchical
> representation for the metadata operands in Alias.Scope and
> NoAlias sets.
>
> o
>
> Proposal #3: https://reviews.llvm.org/D68484
> <https://reviews.llvm.org/D68484>provides the infrastructure
> to fix issue #4. It might also help with issue #1 and issue #3
> as it makes it possible to share scopes.
>
>
> Notes
>
>
> *
>
> Tarique presented challenges with the current prototype, including
> that there’s currently no way to differentiate noalias MD from
> other kinds of metadata, so it’s hard to keep a useful cache in
> the generic MDNode implementation.
>
> *
>
> Jeroen presented some slides on the full-restrict implementation,
> noted how this scheme might solve/mitigate some of the scalability
> challenges associated with the pure-metadata solution.
>
> *
>
> The full-restrict implementation is being used, and Jerone is
> currently updating this implementation based on feedback from that
> usage, he also will update the implementation to use provenance
> instead of sidechannel and repost.
>
> *
>
> Johannes notes that we need more reviewers for this patch set.
>
> *
>
> ****
>
> Thanks again,
> Hal
>
> Hal Finkel
> Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
> Leadership Computing Facility
> Argonne National Laboratory
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> on behalf of
> Finkel, Hal J. via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:35 AM
> *To:* Jeroen Dobbelaere <Jeroen.Dobbelaere at synopsys.com>; Alina
> Sbirlea <alina.sbirlea at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Doerfert,
> Johannes <jdoerfert at anl.gov>
> *Subject:* Re: [llvm-dev] LLVM Alias Analysis Technical Call - Doodle
> Poll
> Hi, everyone,
>
> Just a quick reminder, this call starts in approximately 1.5 hours.
>
> At the present time, our agenda has:
>
> *
>
> *
>
> Scalability challenges and other issues discovered with the
> current infrastructure (especially, perhaps, with the noalias
> metadata).
>
> o
>
> Issue #1: MDNode::intersect uses O(n^2) algorithm. The
> operation does not scale for large NoAlias sets.
>
> o
>
> Issue #2: ScopedNoAliasAAResult::mayAliasInScopes includes
> overhead (per query) of partitioning the input set based on
> the domain metadata.
>
> o
>
> Issue #3: Memory footprint of the flattened Alias.Scope or
> NoAlias set can be large.
>
> o
>
> Issue #4: correctness: current implementation has problems
> after inlining in a loop.
>
> *
>
> Proposed solutions: progress, outstanding challenges, how to make
> progress going forward.
>
> o
>
> Proposal #1: (Related to both Issue #1 and Issue #2) In the
> MDNode class, pre-partition the set of Metadata operands where
> each partition is an ordered set of Metadata operands
> belonging to a specific domain.
>
> o
>
> Proposal #2: (Related to Issue #3) Design a hierarchical
> representation for the metadata operands in Alias.Scope and
> NoAlias sets.
>
> o
>
> Proposal #3: https://reviews.llvm.org/D68484
> <https://reviews.llvm.org/D68484>provides the infrastructure
> to fix issue #4. It might also help with issue #1 and issue #3
> as it makes it possible to share scopes.
>
>
> -Hal
>
> *
>
> Hal Finkel
> Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
> Leadership Computing Facility
> Argonne National Laboratory
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Finkel, Hal J. <hfinkel at anl.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 11:40 AM
> *To:* Jeroen Dobbelaere <Jeroen.Dobbelaere at synopsys.com>; Alina
> Sbirlea <alina.sbirlea at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Doerfert,
> Johannes <jdoerfert at anl.gov>
> *Subject:* Re: LLVM Alias Analysis Technical Call - Doodle Poll
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> On our agenda, we'll have:
>
> 1. Scalability challenges and other issues discovered with the
> current infrastructure (especially, perhaps, with the noalias metadata).
> 2. Proposed solutions: progress, outstanding challenges, how to make
> progress going forward.
>
> We'll formulate the detailed agenda and take notes from the call using
> this Google doc:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ybwEKDVtIbhIhK50qYtwKsL50K-NvB6LfuBsfepBZ9Y/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ybwEKDVtIbhIhK50qYtwKsL50K-NvB6LfuBsfepBZ9Y/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> A summary will then be sent to the mailing list after the call. If you
> would like to add items to the agenda, please edit the document (or
> reply to this email).
>
> Thanks again,
> Hal
>
> Hal Finkel
> Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
> Leadership Computing Facility
> Argonne National Laboratory
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Finkel, Hal J. <hfinkel at anl.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 10:24 AM
> *To:* Jeroen Dobbelaere <Jeroen.Dobbelaere at synopsys.com>; Alina
> Sbirlea <alina.sbirlea at gmail.com>; Finkel, Hal J. <hfinkel at anl.gov>
> *Cc:* llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Doerfert,
> Johannes <jdoerfert at anl.gov>
> *Subject:* Re: LLVM Alias Analysis Technical Call - Doodle Poll
> Thanks to everyone who participated in the poll. The time that
> maximizes availability is:
>
> Thursday, May 28th @ 9-10 AM central time / 2-3 PM UTC.
>
> I'll send out meeting information shortly.
>
> -Hal
>
> Hal Finkel
> Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
> Leadership Computing Facility
> Argonne National Laboratory
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> on behalf of
> Finkel, Hal J. via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* Jeroen Dobbelaere <Jeroen.Dobbelaere at synopsys.com>; Alina
> Sbirlea <alina.sbirlea at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Doerfert,
> Johannes <jdoerfert at anl.gov>
> *Subject:* [llvm-dev] LLVM Alias Analysis Technical Call - Doodle Poll
> Hi, everyone,
>
> We've had a number of discussions recently, including on the Flang
> technical call, about potential improvements to LLVM's alias analysis
> to support handling restrict and restrict-like semantics.
>
> We would like to try having a call to discuss these issues further.
> Please, if you're interested in joining, indicate your availability
> (prior to the end of this week):
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/evhwr2eyfvcf8ib3
> <https://doodle.com/poll/evhwr2eyfvcf8ib3>
>
> Thanks again,
> Hal
>
> Hal Finkel
> Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
> Leadership Computing Facility
> Argonne National Laboratory
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> on behalf of Alina
> Sbirlea via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 9:49 AM
> *To:* Jeroen Dobbelaere <Jeroen.Dobbelaere at synopsys.com>
> *Cc:* llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Doerfert,
> Johannes <jdoerfert at anl.gov>
> *Subject:* Re: [llvm-dev] Full restrict support - status update
> Hi Johannes et al,
>
> Trying to revive this discussion, as the restrict support is relevant
> for one of our teams.
>
> Thank you,
> Alina
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:16 PM Jeroen Dobbelaere via llvm-dev
> <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi Johannes et al,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doerfert, Johannes <jdoerfert at anl.gov
> <mailto:jdoerfert at anl.gov>>
> [..]
> > On 11/06, Jeroen Dobbelaere wrote:
> > > >From: Alexey Zhikhartsev
> > > [..]
> > > > We would love to see your patches merged as soon as
> possible, so I was
> > wondering: do you think the lack of bitcode support will prevent
> that from
> > happening?
> > >
> > > Yes, I think that the lack of bitcode support will prevent it.
> > >
> > > During the Developers meeting, I also talked with Hal and
> Johannes.
> > > They had some extra remarks:
> > > - (1) the restrict implementation deserves a separate
> document. (I am
> > working on that one)
> > > - (2) they don't like the naming of 'noalias_sidechannel'.
> > > - (3) they also have some other mechanisms in mind to add the
> 'sidechannel'
> > to the load/store instructions
> > > (and maybe to function calls, intrinsics; currently
> that is handled through
> > llvm.noalias.arg.guard)
> > >
> > > For (2) and (3), I am waiting for a proposal from them ;)
> >
> > I would like to see the restrict support be merged but, as Jeroen
> > mentions above, I feel there are two design choices we have to
> > overthink. Here are short descriptions to get some feedback from the
> > community:
> >
> > (A) Naming and restriction
> >
> > The name "sidechannel" is unfortunate, it has various negative
> > connotations, e.g., the release notes that read:
> > "LLVM 10.0 now has sidechannel support for your restrict pointer"
> > will raise a lot of follow up questions.
> >
> > What I think we actually do, and what we should call it, is
> "provenance"
> > tracking.
> >
> > Now beyond the pure renaming of "sidechannel" into "provenance"
> (or sth.
> > similar) I want us to decouple provenance tracking from the noalias
> > logic. Noalias/restrict is one use case in which (pointer)
> provenance
> > information is useful but not the only one. If we add some
> mechanism to
> > track provenance, let's make it generic and reusable. Note that the
> > basic ideas are not much different to what the noalias RFC proposed.
> > The major difference would be that we have provenance
> information and if
> > that originates in an `llvm.restrict.decl` call we can use it for
> > (no)alias queries.
>
> "provenance" might indeed be a good name.
>
> There is a big difference between a restrict declaration, and a
> restrict usage:
> - the declaration intrinsic (llvm.noalias.decl) is used to track
> in the cfg the location
> where the restrict variable was declared. This is important to
> handle code motion,
> merging, duplication in a correct way (inlining, loop
> unrolling, ...)
> - the restrict usage intrinsics (llvm.noalias and
> llvm.side.noalias) are used to indicate
> that from that point on, restrict (noalias) properties are
> introduced for that pointer.
> They can exist without an associated 'llvm.noalias.decl' (when
> the declaration is outside
> the function.)
> Given that, I assume that you mean 'llvm.provenance.noalias' (~
> llvm.side.noalias) instead
> of 'llvm.restrict.decl'.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > (B) Using operand bundles
> >
> > Right now, loads and stores are treated differently and given a new
> > operand. Then there are intrinsics to decode other kinds of
> information.
> > As an alternative, we could allow operand bundles on all
> instructions
> > and use them to tie information to an instruction. The "sidechannel"
> > operand of a load would then look something like:
> > load i32* %p [ "ptr_provenance"(%p_decl) ]
> > and for a store we could have
> > store i32** %p.addr, i32* %p [ "ptr_provenance"(%p_decl) ]
> >
> > The benefit is that we do not change the operand count (which
> causes a
> > lot of noise) but we still have to make sure ptr/value uses are not
> > confused with operand bundle uses. We can attach the information
> to more
> > than load/store instructions, also to remove the need for some
> of the
> > intrinsics.
>
> To me, operand bundles sound to be more or less equivalent to the
> current
> solution. It might also make the 'instruction cloning' easier, if
> we can omit the
> 'ptr_provenance' there. The change of the number of operands
> caused some
> noise, but it is the changes in the amount of 'uses' of a pointer
> that refer to the
> same instruction that caused the most problems. Especially when
> that instruction
> was going to be erased. Operand bundles will still need those code
> changes.
> (like in parts of D68516 and D68518)
>
> As the 'Call' instruction already supports operand bundles, it
> could eliminate the need
> for the 'llvm.noalias.arg.guard' intrinsic, which combines the
> normal pointer with the
> side channel (aka provenance). But, after inlining, we still need
> to put that information
> somewhere. Or it should be propagated during inlining.
> Care must be taken not to lose that information when the 'call' is
> changed by optimizations
> as, after inlining, that might result in wrong alias analysis
> conclusions.
>
> Are you thinking of "operand bundles" support for just
> LoadInst/StoreInst, or for all
> instructions ?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Jeroen Dobbelaere
>
>
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Hal Finkel
Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
Leadership Computing Facility
Argonne National Laboratory
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