[llvm-dev] Code of Conduct Next Steps - Community feedback needed

[Mehdi AMINI via llvm-dev]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:55 AM David Chisnall via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> Hi Tanya,
>
> On 18/02/2020 00:56, Tanya Lattner wrote:
> > I understand not everyone wants to use Google docs which was why I gave
> an option to reply via email as well. My intention on using Google docs is
> really just based on my experience using it for docs that span different
> groups of people and it is what I primarily use for text documents.
>
> As I understand it from the pop-ups on the page, I cannot *read* a
> Google doc without agreeing to a somewhat invasive privacy policy.  As
> such, an option to reply via email does not help me if my goal is to
> avoid agreeing to this policy.
>

I wonder what kind of popup you got? I opened the link in a "private
window" of my browser, I am not logged into any Google service, and the doc
just opens directly without any popup. I can also comment "anonymously" on
the document apparently. I would expect that the experience I relate here
is "privacy friendly"? (I'm curious why you didn't get the same, maybe
connecting from Europe imposes the popup?).



>
> Irrespective of your intent (and I strongly believe that this is not
> your intention) or the value of the tools, the message that you are
> sending is being received as 'you must agree to Google's privacy policy
> to participate in discussions that are core to the LLVM community'.
> Your replies in this thread are being perceived as the LLVM Foundation
> does not care and does not value the privacy of its constituency.
>
> The CoC draft currently on the LLVM web site states:
>
>  > Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in
> turn will depend on the work of others. Any decision you take will
> affect users and colleagues, and you should take those consequences into
> account
>
> During the switch to GitHub, there were very long discussions about
> moving to a tool that is blocked in some countries, is under the control
> of a single company, and requires signing up to a fairly complex set of
> T&Cs to use.  The consensus (though not unanimous) view was that the
> benefits significantly outweighed the costs.  This deliberation process
> took several months and the community heard many arguments on both sides.
>
> A similar discussion took place with regards to Discord and the privacy
> policy there was seen as a reason that a sufficiently large proportion
> of the community would not wish to participate that it was a problem.
> There has been no such deliberation on the merits of Google Docs (or
> Office 365, or any other proprietary document hosting service).
>
> If placing this on Google Docs was your personal decision and not any
> form of official LLVM Foundation policy, then I would ask that you
> reflect on what I have said and place it in a more inclusive location,
> such as a Phabricator diff to the existing CoC.
>
> David
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