[llvm-dev] Fwd: Question about the platform/OS used by most LLVM developers

[Gratian Lup via llvm-dev]

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback and rephrased the questions to make
things more clear. Sadly can't change to multi-answer anymore for question
1 since I got around 22 answers and doing that would reset the current
survey.

Yes, I mostly want to get a better understanding of the dev environment of
LLVM devs, to do more testing on those platforms, beside getting the
application to run in the first place since it's Windows-native. From
current answers Linux is 70%+ and there the app runs fine using Wine, or
the easier way, in a Docker container with everything set up. Didn't have
luck replicating either approach on Mac OS Big Sur yet.

Gratian

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:51 PM Robinson, Paul <paul.robinson at sony.com>
wrote:

> I suggest a separate email with a more obvious subject line.  And not to
> be snarky—survey design is oddly non-trivial--some suggestions about the
> survey itself:
>
> Q.1 should allow more than one response.  I’m not sure which I would pick,
> if forced to pick only one.
>
> Q.3 appears to assume “your platform/OS” is not Windows, which as a
> Windows user, makes it hard to choose an answer.  Would I want to run
> something not native to Windows in a Windows VM running on Windows? Hmmmm…
>
> Looking forward to an improved survey,
>
> --paulr
>
>
>
> *From:* Gratian Lup <lgratian at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2020 1:40 PM
> *To:* Everett Maus <evmaus at google.com>
> *Cc:* Robinson, Paul <paul.robinson at sony.com>; llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> *Subject:* Re: [llvm-dev] Fwd: Question about the platform/OS used by
> most LLVM developers
>
>
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> Made a survey with 3 questions here, it would be great to get some answers:
>
>
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SDQMM3Q
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>
>
>
> I assumed there is a mix of OS usage (although didn't think about FreeBSD,
> to be honest) and getting the app to run on all these platforms would be
> ideal.
>
> Main issue is that it's made using .NET Core (C#) and WPF, with WPF being
> now the Windows-only part, officially. I've got it to work really well with
> Wine though on Linux, and Docker makes things even easier by having to just
> get a prebuilt image that has everything configured properly.
>
>
>
> The app does have several libs, with a "core" part and 1-2 command-line
> tools that would run natively where .NET core does, just that the power of
> the tool is all in the UI. Not sure I can share screenshots yet, that would
> give a better idea of what it is. Think about it as an IDE for compiler
> devs I guess. Sometimes I regret not going with QT, but such a change would
> be a big rewrite at this point and it's mostly my free-time project. And to
> be honest I would rather not use C++ for this even though I work on a C++
> compiler...
>
>
>
> Btw, should I send another message just with the survey link, or does this
> have enough visibility?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gratian
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:38 AM Everett Maus <evmaus at google.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not the most regular contributor, but if I were to guess, I'd expect
> it's reasonably well mixed and there are likely a decent number of
> "poly-OS" folks (I'm currently prototyping something & working on it on
> both debian linux + mac osx).
>
>
>
> One thing that immediately occurred to me is that splitting a tool like
> that into a library/command line tool/service that's independent of the
> actual 'display' is something that seems relatively common with clang/llvm
> libraries and also a technique that's been done with clang-related tools in
> the past to get cross platform & cross editor exploration (e.x. the clangd
> service + a vscode plugin or a plugin for any other editor that supports
> the LSP).  That could be an easy or easy-ish way to build something cross
> platform that helps with visualizing compiler IR without having to solve
> the cross-platform-GUI problem.
>
>
>
> --EJM
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:00 AM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
> I’m not aware of any survey like that.  It would be interesting to know,
> and I expect a lot of people would be willing to respond to a survey.  Some
> people use more than one; I use both Ubuntu and Windows, for example.
>
> In general the project looks for tools to be usable across the major
> platforms, so I would recommend against using the results of the survey to
> focus on one platform to the exclusion of others.  This is admittedly
> trickier if you have GUIs in the mix, but seems solvable.
>
> --paulr
>
>
>
> *From:* llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> *On Behalf Of *Gratian
> Lup via llvm-dev
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:49 AM
> *To:* llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
> *Subject:* [llvm-dev] Fwd: Question about the platform/OS used by most
> LLVM developers
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I'm working on a tool that is very useful for understanding and
> visualizing compiler IR and the plan is to open source it next year ('m a
> dev on the MSVC optimizer at Microsoft). It's a Windows-based UI tool, but
> does work well on Linux using Wine with a couple of distributions I tried,
> including Ubuntu.
>
>
>
> What I wonder is what OS most LLVM devs use for the typical dev work, bug
> investigations etc. that involve dealining with LLVM IR/MLIR. I assume most
> are not using Windows, but do wonder about the Linux/Mac OS split, and then
> for Linux what distro.
>
>
>
> Was there such a survey ever done? If I'd make a survey, would people be
> willing to answer it? :) Knowing this would help make sure the tool works
> fine for the platform used by most LLVM devs.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gratian Lup
>
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> --
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> --EJM
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