[llvm-dev] Discourse category for the AMDGPU target

[Nicolai Hähnle via llvm-dev]

Hi David,

it's still not clear to me whether you actually have an alternative?

Cheers,
Nicolai

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:46 PM David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 2:22 PM Nicolai Hähnle <nhaehnle at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:00 PM David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I don't have much personal interest here - but my understanding was
> > > that there was/is a fair bit of pushback to fragmenting the
> > > communications channels to discord before there's a more general
> > > buy-in to switch over across the project? (perhaps I'm misremembering
> > > the previous threads about discourse, though - and we have already
> > > pretty significantly fragmented on the chat-like medium between IRC
> > > and Discord)
> >
> > Discourse is really more of an alternative to mailing lists, not to chat.
>
> Right - I mentioned that that by analogy here.
>
> In any case, the main thread that discussed this previously is here:
> http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2019-November/136880.html
> (including links to the live/in-use Discord and Discourse)
>
> I'm not sure what discussion went into MLIR using discourse - whether
> it got in sideways by being the way the project already interacted
> before it came under the LLVM umbrella. But I have some concerns about
> the fragmentation there.
>
> Perhaps most of the push back is about the existing LLVM lists and
> doesn't apply as much to new subcommunities, but I have my
> doubts/concerns about fragmenting the tools used to interact with LLVM
> communities like this - making it  harder for folks to move between
> different subcommunities when contributing across the boundaries.
>
> > For what it's worth, the alternatives we've looked at were:
> >
> > 1. Just use llvm-dev. This avoids the fragmentation you mention, but
> > it was considered undesirable for several reasons:
> > 1.1. Most people watching llvm-dev wouldn't be interested, and we
> > don't want to increase the noise unnecessarily.
> > 1.2. Some people in the relevant audience expressed that they prefer
> > not to subscribe to llvm-dev due to its volume, or are worried that
> > the topics they're interested in would be drowned out in the general
> > noise.
> > 1.3. Some people in the relevant audience expressed that posting to
> > llvm-dev can be scary.
> >
> > 2. Create a new mailing list amdgpu-dev at lists.llvm.org. I think the
> > relevant audience would be mostly fine with that, but there were two
> > perceived advantages to the Discourse path:
> > 2.1. If a topic in the amdgpu discussion space come up that turns out
> > to be interesting to somebody who is not usually following that space,
> > then the barrier to jumping into that topic is lower on Discourse --
> > there aren't any issues with posting to a mailing list that one isn't
> > subscribed to.
> > 2.2. We believe that maintaining a new mailing list is a higher burden
> > for the LLVM project (I'm happy to be corrected on that point).
> >
> > Are you saying that you think we should use one of those alternatives,
> > or do you have yet another alternative in mind?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nicolai
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM Nicolai Hähnle via llvm-dev
> > > <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > We’ve been having discussions over the last few weeks with
> > > > stakeholders both inside and outside of AMD about where we could best
> > > > have a dedicated and open discussion space for topics around the
> > > > AMDGPU target. The conclusion was that we’d like to try the use of a
> > > > category in the LLVM Discourse group, which is mostly used for MLIR
> > > > discussion so far.
> > > >
> > > > I have started a Discourse topic with more detail, as that seemed
> > > > rather fitting:
> > > > https://llvm.discourse.group/t/category-for-the-amdgpu-target/1480
> > > >
> > > > However, this obviously affects the broader LLVM community, hence this
> > > > e-mail on llvm-dev. If people are generally okay with such a move, we
> > > > would ask the Discourse admins to please create that new category.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Nicolai
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lerne, wie die Welt wirklich ist,
> > > > aber vergiss niemals, wie sie sein sollte.
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Lerne, wie die Welt wirklich ist,
> > aber vergiss niemals, wie sie sein sollte.



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