[llvm-dev] RFC: Moving toward Discord and Discourse for LLVM's discussions

Manuel Jacob via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Mon Nov 18 13:03:58 PST 2019

On 2019-11-18 15:18, Sam McCall via llvm-dev wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:49 PM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>> |  mailing lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar, 
>> difficult,
>> and often intimidating for newcomers
>> Um… what?  While I know (via my own children) that folks nowadays use
>> multiple avenues of communication, it’s **really** hard to imagine 
>> email
>> as a **mechanism** being unfamiliar/difficult/intimidating.  Moving to 
>> a
>> new mechanism wouldn’t alter the fact of the very large number of 
>> strangers
>> participating, which to my mind would be the
>> unfamiliar/difficult/intimidating part.
>> --paulr
> Some cases I can think of here:
>  - unclear how to reply to a mail that was sent before you subscribed 
> to
> the ML (obvious newbie problem - generally I'd lurk on the web until I
> wanted to reply)
>  - unclear how to create a partitioned space (new mailing list) for a 
> topic
>  - subscription state/bounce messages/moderation are all IMO unclear if 
> you
> haven't used mailman before

I think that these are mostly problems with Mailman.  Some services 
(e.g. Sourcehut, see https://lists.sr.ht/) show a "Reply to" button that 
includes the correct In-Reply-To header and subject.  Sourcehut also 
makes creating lists very easy.

>  - the volume of traffic on (effectively-mandatory) lists is so high 
> that
> it requires using mail filters, most people don't use those
> (A weak +1 to the concern about this change being made by some people 
> in a
> conference room somewhere - if that's the decision-making process 
> that's
> fine with me, but it'd be great to know that and have a defined way to 
> get
> issues on the agenda)
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