[llvm-dev] [cfe-dev] RFC: Moving toward Discord and Discourse for LLVM's discussions

Nico Weber via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Mon Nov 18 05:09:55 PST 2019

FWIW I'm a fan of using open-source stuff for open-source projects.
Discourse looks open source, but Discord doesn't as far as I can tell (?).

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:15 AM Chandler Carruth via cfe-dev <
cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> Hello folks,
> I sent the message quoted below to llvm-dev@ just now, but it applies to
> the whole community so sending an FYI here. Probably best to follow up w/
> discussion on llvm-dev.
> The archive link for reference is here:
> http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2019-November/136880.html
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 11:48 PM Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> *Short version:*I've set up an LLVM Discord server for real time chat
>> (similar to IRC) and an LLVM Discourse server for forums (similar to email
>> lists):
>> https://discord.gg/xS7Z362
>> https://llvm.discourse.group/
>> Please join and use these new services. They are only partially set up
>> and still very new, so don't hesitate to improve them and/or reach out to
>> this thread with any issues you see or things you want to fix. Also, both
>> services have dedicated feedback channels.
>> Do feel free to use Discourse for technical discussions, although try not
>> to create duplicate discussions (any more than you would between the lists
>> and Bugzilla) and make sure the people you're having the discussion with
>> are fine using Discourse instead of the email list. In case Discourse
>> doesn't work out, we'll collect and archive everything so it isn't lost.
>> *Longer version & more details:*During this year's Women in Compilers
>> and Tools meeting, folks expressed very clearly that our communication
>> systems cause a non-trivial amount of friction for new people trying to
>> find out about, learn, or contribute to LLVM. Both IRC for chatting and
>> mailing lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar, difficult, and
>> often intimidating for newcomers. While I have long been a fan and
>> resistant to change in these areas, the feedback from folks at WiCT was
>> compelling and important for us as a community to address. Even if it means
>> I have to let go of my precious IRC. ;]
>> We talked to a bunch of people and looked at the options out there and
>> the most promising ones were Discord for chatting and Discourse for
>> longer-form discussions. Meike and I have set up both an initial Discord
>> and Discourse server. You can find them here:
>> https://discord.gg/xS7Z362
>> https://llvm.discourse.group/
>> There is still a lot of work to be done. Notably, it'd be great for folks
>> to clean up and improve the summaries for each of the groups in Discourse,
>> and I'll be asking various people to help moderate on both Discourse and
>> Discord. If you'd like to help out with a specific set of improvements to
>> these, don't hesitate to reach out to me or Meike and we can get you set
>> up. Some specific things we're already working on:
>>    - Getting Discord verified with a nice URL.
>>    - Archives of mailing lists on Discourse so you can search in one
>>    place, etc.
>>       - See the plan here:
>>       https://llvm.discourse.group/t/mirroring-and-archiving-llvm-mailing-lists-on-discourse/61
>>    - Moving Discourse to forums.llvm.org.
>>    - Documenting the best way to move to Discourse while preserving a
>>    similarly email-focused workflow.
>> We're just adding these for now, but I'd like people to seriously try
>> using them. While IRC has served us fairly well, I think it is one of the
>> bigger barriers to entry. Our email lists are more effective, but also have
>> had serious infrastructure challenges over the years: a constant flow of
>> spam, bouncing for several major email providers, etc. Discourse has very
>> powerful email-based workflows available and I think we should seriously
>> consider moving to Discourse long-term instead of the email lists.
>> I also want to say thanks to all the folks at the WiCT workshop for
>> giving me and others feedback. I was pretty set in my ways around these
>> kind of things, but hearing the kinds of challenges this has posed to
>> people less established in the community was a real eye opener. It takes a
>> lot to speak up like this, and I really appreciate it. I hope this also
>> helps start to address these long-standing issues. Also a huge thanks to
>> Tanya for organizing the WICT workshop and Meike for helping drive this
>> message home to me and doing a bunch of the work getting these things set
>> up. I wouldn't have been able to do it without her help, especially around
>> Discord bots.
>> -Chandler
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