[llvm-dev] A Short Policy Proposal Regarding Host Compilers

Thu Jan 10 16:32:47 PST 2019

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Mehdi AMINI <joker.eph at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit puzzled as of why would a fix period of time be the best option to automatically cut support for older compilers?
> 
> Historically I believe we've been looking at a combination of:
> 
> 1) What new feature we gain by dropping support for a given version of the compiler
> 2) What major OS out there have available (possibly through PPA?).
> 
> And balance the two aspects.
> 
> What is the motivation for changing this approach?

Historically we’ve been on C++11, minus some stuff. The motivation to change the approach is to not be stuck on older C++ versions.

> -- 
> Mehdi
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:46 PM JF Bastien via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
> I’d like us to move forward with something along the lines Erich proposed back in May, ideally early enough in the LLVM 8 release process that people testing the release will be able to provide feedback.
> 
> Are there any remaining concerns?
> 
> 
> > On May 23, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Keane, Erich via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > I just wanted to bump this again, I know I sent it out on a Friday :)  I realize this is a minor code change with significant implications, so it seems to me that I should ensure it gets extensive exposure. 
> > See the review here: https://reviews.llvm.org/D47073 <https://reviews.llvm.org/D47073>
> > -Erich
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keane, Erich 
> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 8:26 AM
> > To: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> > Subject: RE: [llvm-dev] A Short Policy Proposal Regarding Host Compilers
> > 
> > I've heard just about zero opposition to this, so I've put a code review together here: https://reviews.llvm.org/D47073 <https://reviews.llvm.org/D47073> With the intent of either implementing this policy change, or encouraging further discussion/bikeshed.
> > 
> > Thanks all!
> > -Erich
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brooks Davis [mailto:brooks at freebsd.org <mailto:brooks at freebsd.org>]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:34 AM
> > To: Keane, Erich <erich.keane at intel.com <mailto:erich.keane at intel.com>>
> > Cc: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] A Short Policy Proposal Regarding Host Compilers
> > 
> > On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 01:37:22PM +0000, Keane, Erich via llvm-dev wrote:
> >> Hi All-
> >> As we all know, the C++14 discussion is flaring up again.  Chandler brought up that he would like a concrete plan to switch.  In my opinion, this is insufficient, as it will result in us simply having this discussion AGAIN next release.  Instead, I would prefer us to have a concrete Policy on our host compilers.  That way, changes like this are unsurprising to our users, and advance our codebase sufficiently.  I believe the arguments for/against upgrading have been made repeatedly, so I won't repeat them here.  My proposal is thus:
> >> 
> >> Starting with the Clang 7.0 release, we will officially support any major release of our host compilers (MSVC, GCC, Clang, ?ICC?) released in the past 3* years from our previous branch date to give trunk-developers time to transition (so for 7.0, 3 years before January 3, 2018).  This will be enforced via the CMake CheckCompilerVersion script (ala https://reviews.llvm.org/D46723 <https://reviews.llvm.org/D46723>).  ADDITIONALLY, a CMake warning will be issued for any major release less than 1.5* years old to give our users sufficient time to transition/upgrade their compilers.  Finally, our dependent C++ version will be the best released standard officially supported by the collection of compilers (for example, we'd support -C++20 if all compilers had std=c++20 or eqiv, but NOT std=c++2a).  
> >> 
> >> The 3-years/1.5 years would result in our minimum GCC/Clang becoming: 
> >> GCC5.1/Clang3.6.  We would WARN on anything older than GCC7.1/Clang3.8
> > 
> > Historically 3/1.5 would have caused us problems on FreeBSD, but we're moving to supporting all architectures via an external toolchain[0] so I don't think it will have a major impact.  We'll have to amend our statement of which systems you can bootstrap from to include the need to install a compiler package in some cases (or be more aggressive about merging new compiler versions to stable branches).
> > 
> > -- Brooks
> > 
> > [0] Some of them purely external due to a lack of viable LLVM support and a policy against GPLv3 licenses in the tree.
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