[llvm-dev] sum elements in the vector

Mon May 16 03:11:18 PDT 2016

This would be really cool.  We have several instructions that perform horizontal vector operations, and have to use built-ins to select them as there is no easy way of expressing them in a TD file.  Some like SUM for a ‘v4i32’ are easy enough to express with a pattern fragment, SUM ‘v8i16’ takes TableGen a long time to compute, but SUM ‘v16i8’ resulted in TableGen disappearing into itself for hours trying to reduce the patterns before I gave up and cancelled it.

If there were ISD nodes for these, then it would be far simpler to express in TableGen, and also, the pattern fragments only match a very specific form of IR to the desired instruction.

The horizontal operations are particularly useful for finalising a vectorised operation - for example I may want to compute the scalar MAX, MIN or SUM of a large number of items.  If the number of items is divisible by the vector lanes (e.g. 4, 8, or 16 in our case), then 4, 8 or 16 at a time can be computed using normal vector operation, and then the final scalar value can be computed using a single horizontal operation.

            MartinO

From: llvm-dev [mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org] On Behalf Of Chandler Carruth via llvm-dev
Sent: 16 May 2016 2:16
To: Shahid, Asghar-ahmad; Rail Shafigulin; llvm-dev; Hal Finkel
Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] sum elements in the vector

I'm starting to think we should directly implement horizontal operations on vector types.

My suspicion is that coming up with a nice model for this would help us a lot with things like:

- Idiom recognition of reduction patterns that use horizontal arithmetic

- Ability to use horizontal operations in SLPVectorizer

- Significantly easier cost modeling of vectorizing loops with reductions in LoopVectorize

- Other things I've not thought of?

 Curious what others think?

-Chandler

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:07 PM Shahid, Asghar-ahmad via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> > wrote:

> why in order to add this particular instruction (sum elements in a vector) I need to add an insrinsic?

Adding intrinsic is not the only way, it is one of the way and user WILL-NOT be required to invoke

It specifically.

Currently LLVM does not have any instruction to directly represent “sum of elements in a vector” and

generate your particular instruction.However, you can do it without intrinsic by pattern matching the

LLVM-IRs representing “sum of elements in vector” to your particular instruction in DAGCombiner.

Regards,

Shahid

From: Rail Shafigulin [mailto:rail at esenciatech.com <mailto:rail at esenciatech.com> ] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 11:59 PM
To: Shahid, Asghar-ahmad; llvm-dev
Cc: Das, Dibyendu

Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] sum elements in the vector

I'm a little confused. Here is why.

I was able to add a vector add instruction to my target without using any intrinsics and without adding any new instructions to LLVM. So here is my question: how come I managed to add a new vector instruction without adding an intrinsic and why in order to add this particular instruction (sum elements in a vector) I need to add an insrinsic?

Another question that I have is whether compiler will be able to target this new instruction (sum elements in a vector) if it is implemented as an intrinsic or the user will have to specifically invoke an instrinsic.

Pardon if questions seem dumb, I'm still learning things.

Any help is appreciated. 

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Rail Shafigulin <rail at esenciatech.com <mailto:rail at esenciatech.com> > wrote:

Thanks for the reply. These steps will add an instruction as an intrinsic. Is it possible to add an actual new instruction so that a compiler could target it during an optimization? How hard is it to do it? Is that a realistic objective.

Rail

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Shahid, Asghar-ahmad <Asghar-ahmad.Shahid at amd.com <mailto:Asghar-ahmad.Shahid at amd.com> > wrote:

Hi Rail,

We had done this for generation of X86 PSAD (sum of absolute difference) instruction through

Llvm intrinsic. Doing this requires following

1.       Define an intrinsic, xyz(),  for the required instruction and corresponding SDNode

2.       Generate the “call xyz() “ IR based the matched pattern

3.       Map “call xyz()” IR to corresponding SDNode in SelectionDagBuilder.cpp

4.       Provide default expansion of the xyz() intrinsic

5.       Legalize type and/or operation

6.       Provide Lowering of intrinsic/SDNode to generate your target instruction

You can visit http://llvm.org/docs/ExtendingLLVM.html for details.

Regards,

Shahid 

From: llvm-dev [mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> ] On Behalf Of Rail Shafigulin via llvm-dev
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 11:00 PM
To: Das, Dibyendu
Cc: llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> 
Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] sum elements in the vector

Thanks for the pointers. I looked at hadd instructions. They seem to do very similar to what I need. Unfortunately as I said before my LLVM experience is limited. My understanding is that when I create a new type of SDNode I need to specify a pattern for it, so that when LLVM is analyzing the code and is seeing a given pattern it would create this particular node. I'm really struggling to understand how it is done. So here are the problems that I'm having.

1. How do I identify that pattern that should be used?

2. How do I specify a given pattern? 

Do you (or someone else) mind helping me out? 

Any help is appreciated.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Das, Dibyendu <Dibyendu.Das at amd.com <mailto:Dibyendu.Das at amd.com> > wrote:

This is roughly along the lines of x86 hadd* instructions though the semantics of hadd* may not exactly match what you are looking for. This is probably more in line with x86/ARM SAD-like instructions but I don’t think llvm generates SAD without intrinsics.

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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 9:34 AM
To: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> >
Subject: [llvm-dev] sum elements in the vector

My target has an instruction that adds up all elements in the vector and stores the result in a register. I'm trying to implement it in my compiler but I'm not sure even where to start.

I did look at other targets, but they don't seem to have anything like it ( I could be wrong. My experience with LLVM is limited, so if I missed it, I'd appreciate if someone could point it out ). 

My understanding is that if SDNode for such an instruction doesn't exist I have to define one. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do it. I don't even know where to start looking. Would someone care to point me in the right direction? 

Any help is appreciated.

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Rail Shafigulin

Software Engineer 
Esencia Technologies

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Rail Shafigulin

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Rail Shafigulin

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