[llvm-dev] We really need more community involvement with GSoC

Sun Mar 20 08:40:12 PDT 2016

I just realized that Slack might require SignUp and Login (necessarily due
to the team concept Slack uses) to access the office hour discussion where
as in IRC one may enter the room with temporary ID.

*Vivek Pandya*

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:00 PM, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com>
wrote:

> @Bruce yes that can take care of archival of messages.
>
> @James If we prefer to stick with IRC then during the office hours for the
> people who are not interested or wanted to have separate thread of
> discussion may need to communicate one-to-one other wise it would create
> effect like cross-talk. Or dedicate a separate channel like Drupal has
> 'druapl-google'  dedicated to Summer of Code see
> https://www.drupal.org/irc. People may join it when it is not 'Office
> hours' but may not get enough (experienced) people to get their questions
> answered.  I have observed that on #llvm channel some time a group of
> (experienced ) people discuss very specific thing that they are working on
> and my intention is not to disturb their work when it is 'office hour'.
>
> *Vivek Pandya*
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:28 PM, James Molloy <james at jamesmolloy.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Indeed, and I think this suggestion will succeed best if the delta
>> between what community members do now and what they would need to do is
>> small. Loitering on one extra IRC room is trivial; loading a whole new
>> system just at the right time is likely to get fewer members.
>>
>> James
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 14:47, Bruce Hoult <bruce at hoult.org> wrote:
>>
>>> IRC doesn't archive messages, but many IRC communities run a bot as a
>>> room participant that archives to a web site (and often other services).
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 20 March 2016, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @James
>>>> I am not sure in IRC if we can retrieve back the older messages. So
>>>> consider Slack as suggestion only.
>>>>
>>>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, James Molloy <james at jamesmolloy.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a
>>>>> community).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent
>>>>>> storage of message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting' kind of
>>>>>> thing and later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be
>>>>>> aware of that, when some serious discussion has happened during 'office
>>>>>> hours'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <
>>>>>> chandlerc at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete proposal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question is too
>>>>>>>> basic" drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM is only one of
>>>>>>>>> the back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow knowledge of it
>>>>>>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those beginner
>>>>>>>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday, about constant
>>>>>>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions often
>>>>>>>>> have no answers on the mailing list, any number of people might well have
>>>>>>>>> replied to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful to the
>>>>>>>>> questioner, and also to "maintain the signal to noise ratio" of the mailing
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or not, but if
>>>>>>>>> it is then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse than a few
>>>>>>>>> extra messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help with all this, if
>>>>>>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many aspects of
>>>>>>>>> LLVM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev <
>>>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any organization.
>>>>>>>>>> This is based on my experience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I follow
>>>>>>>>>> most of the thread when it makes sense to me. I have observed that some
>>>>>>>>>> times some mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly novice students
>>>>>>>>>> and some one trying to use LLVM in the research have many questions.
>>>>>>>>>> I respect all community members and I understand that working for
>>>>>>>>>> top companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go on IRC same
>>>>>>>>>> things happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with timezone so I
>>>>>>>>>> get many people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older mail chains,
>>>>>>>>>> I am able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but some time I just
>>>>>>>>>> get stuck and some times to understand output and "why it has happen so" a
>>>>>>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to GSoC but it
>>>>>>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea. See this
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>>>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC  (just
>>>>>>>>>> textual chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long or so. To
>>>>>>>>>> keep main channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or
>>>>>>>>>> slack.com )  The time chosen for both days are very different so
>>>>>>>>>> that they can cover may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members
>>>>>>>>>> attends this session and answers to the each kind of questions from
>>>>>>>>>> participant. This will help students and researchers very much. Specially
>>>>>>>>>> if they are not able to progress by their own.
>>>>>>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more complex
>>>>>>>>>> code base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes may save their
>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>>>>>>
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