[llvm-dev] We really need more community involvement with GSoC

Sun Mar 20 07:47:55 PDT 2016

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On Sunday, 20 March 2016, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com> wrote:

> @James
> I am not sure in IRC if we can retrieve back the older messages. So
> consider Slack as suggestion only.
>
> *Vivek Pandya*
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, James Molloy <james at jamesmolloy.co.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james at jamesmolloy.co.uk');>> wrote:
>
>> Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a community).
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vivekvpandya at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent storage
>>> of message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting' kind of thing
>>> and later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be aware of
>>> that, when some serious discussion has happened during 'office hours'.
>>>
>>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at google.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chandlerc at google.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete proposal?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question is too basic"
>>>>> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM is only one of the
>>>>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow knowledge of it
>>>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those beginner
>>>>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday, about constant
>>>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions often have
>>>>>> no answers on the mailing list, any number of people might well have
>>>>>> replied to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful to the
>>>>>> questioner, and also to "maintain the signal to noise ratio" of the mailing
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or not, but if it
>>>>>> is then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse than a few extra
>>>>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help with all this, if
>>>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many aspects of LLVM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev <
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any organization. This
>>>>>>> is based on my experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I follow most
>>>>>>> of the thread when it makes sense to me. I have observed that some times
>>>>>>> some mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly novice students and some
>>>>>>> one trying to use LLVM in the research have many questions.
>>>>>>> I respect all community members and I understand that working for
>>>>>>> top companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go on IRC same
>>>>>>> things happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with timezone so I
>>>>>>> get many people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older mail chains, I
>>>>>>> am able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but some time I just
>>>>>>> get stuck and some times to understand output and "why it has happen so" a
>>>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to GSoC but it
>>>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea. See this
>>>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC  (just textual
>>>>>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long or so. To keep main
>>>>>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or slack.com )
>>>>>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different so that they can cover
>>>>>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members attends this session
>>>>>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from participant. This will help
>>>>>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if they are not able to
>>>>>>> progress by their own.
>>>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more complex code
>>>>>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes may save their days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>>>
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