[llvm-dev] We really need more community involvement with GSoC

Sat Mar 19 13:23:27 PDT 2016

+1000 to all of this fwiw.

I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete proposal?

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question is too basic"
> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM is only one of the
>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow knowledge of it
>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>
>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those beginner questions
>> when I have time (there was one yesterday, about constant evaluating things
>> like sqrt() in the front end).
>>
>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions often have no
>> answers on the mailing list, any number of people might well have replied
>> to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful to the questioner, and
>> also to "maintain the signal to noise ratio" of the mailing list.
>>
>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or not, but if it is
>> then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse than a few extra
>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>
>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help with all this, if beginners
>> can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>
>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many aspects of LLVM.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any organization. This is
>>> based on my experience.
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I follow most of
>>> the thread when it makes sense to me. I have observed that some times some
>>> mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly novice students and some one
>>> trying to use LLVM in the research have many questions.
>>> I respect all community members and I understand that working for top
>>> companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go on IRC same things
>>> happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with timezone so I get many
>>> people to ask on IRC).
>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older mail chains, I am
>>> able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but some time I just get
>>> stuck and some times to understand output and "why it has happen so" a
>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>
>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to GSoC but it applies
>>> in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea. See this
>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC  (just textual
>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long or so. To keep main
>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or slack.com )
>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different so that they can cover
>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members attends this session
>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from participant. This will help
>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if they are not able to
>>> progress by their own.
>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more complex code
>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes may save their days.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Vivek
>>>
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