[llvm-dev] RFC: New aggressive dead code elimination pass

Mon Apr 4 10:23:54 PDT 2016

Some question:

1. IDFCalculator already allows reverse graphs, and gets used for that, so
what did you have to change?  (this change was made in the past year, so i
wonder if you were working on a branch or something).

2. What are the actual numbers here in terms of calculation of IDF vs your
method.

IDF calculator is linear time (Well, depends on priority queue impl, but we
could fix that too), so it should not be *that* bad.
We can make it calculate subgraphs like you do as well.

3.
While i think the way you compute CD for the subset is cool, it is a bunch
of code, and probably hard for the vast majority of people to understand
and debug :)

So if we can make IDF (assuming postdom) within a few percent of what you
are doing, we should just do it, IMHO.

If not, well, it's the old "compile time cost vs actual runtime performance
improvement vs any reduced maintenance burden/stuff we can make
architecturally more sound" game.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, David Callahan <dcallahan at fb.com> wrote:

> Sorry to have disappeared.
>
> No I do not use Post-dominators. I tried building post-dominatirs and
> changing iterated dominance frontier to allow a reverse graph but I found
> it was significant more expensive than solving a custom data flow problem
> over the “may be dead” subset of the CFG. I did separately rewrite the
> post-dominator code to fit the new pass manager but now there are no
> clients for it http://reviews.llvm.org/D17114
>
> —david
>
> From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> on behalf of LLVM Dev
> Mailing list <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> Reply-To: Daniel Berlin <dberlin at dberlin.org>
> Date: Friday, March 25, 2016 at 4:05 PM
> To: Hal Finkel <hfinkel at anl.gov>
> Cc: LLVM Dev Mailing list <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: New aggressive dead code elimination pass
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Hal Finkel <hfinkel at anl.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
>> *To: *"Daniel Berlin" <dberlin at dberlin.org>
>> *Cc: *"David Callahan via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 25, 2016 5:43:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: New aggressive dead code elimination pass
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Daniel Berlin via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Make most things update post-dominance info and preserve it.
>>
>> Our other alternative to not take up too much time seems to be invasive
>> surgery on how BB successors/predecessors work so they are a constant time
>> array.  I say this because GCC recomputes post-dominators roughly 15-19
>> times per compilation, and can do it about 3-5x faster than we can. All
>> profiling i've done basically says all our time is spent trying to get at
>> successors and predecessors in dominance/post-dominance respectively, which
>> takes basically no time in gcc, because the edge lists are an array.
>>
>> (Note that if you look at generic dominance code, like
>> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~rwerneck/dominators/
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.princeton.edu_-257Erwerneck_dominators_&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=lFyiPUrFdOHdaobP7i4hoA&m=09bq6lIe4oGqpw_lE_NAxpN_v13km9w1s-BagEV_Qb8&s=OUaq2P8-4iXMAqcItqLccu1gA856S_ElzN0I0tNjiFk&e=>,
>> it's much faster than what we do on the same graphs. This is true even
>> though we use the same algorithms .....)
>>
>> Given it seems unlikely we are going to change the internal
>> representation anytime soon (or at least i've not seen a proposal),
>> updating post-dom seems the easier answer.
>>
>>
>> Are we talking about the basic-blocks edges only? I'm not sure changing
>> the IR for the BBs would be a lot more work than preserving dominance
>> analysis everywhere, or I am totally underestimating one / overestimating
>> the other?
>>
>>
>> I'm also curious about this, especially because I'd naively think that:
>>
>>   representation change == a little thinking and (potentially) a lot of
>> typing
>>
>
> It also may change space characteristics for programs with lots of edges.
>
>
>
>>   preserving post dom == a lot of thinking and a little typing
>>
>> and, thus, while updating the analysis might be the *right* thing to do,
>> it is probably not easier (especially once you factor in the time taken to
>> fix bugs where we subtly get it wrong). Maybe in the long run, we should do
>> both?
>>
>
> If we try to keep constant time edge redirection, both are fairly
> complicated in terms of thinking :)
>
>
>>
>>  -Hal
>>
>> --
>> Mehdi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Eric Christopher <echristo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you have in mind here?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 7:28 PM Daniel Berlin via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, that was gonna be my question.
>>>> If so, my view is we should just bite the bullet and start threading
>>>> post dominance through the compiler.
>>>> (assuming anyone wants to help. I'm tackling the memoryssa updating
>>>> stuff with george ATM).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Hal Finkel <hfinkel at anl.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [+Danny]
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> > From: "Justin Bogner via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
>>>>> > To: "David Callahan via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:36:50 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: New aggressive dead code elimination
>>>>> pass
>>>>> >
>>>>> > David Callahan via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> writes:
>>>>> > > Hi,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I have a new variant of Aggressive Dead Code Elimination that also
>>>>> > > removes dead branching. It is designed to minimize the cost of
>>>>> > > control-dependence analysis in the common case where almost the
>>>>> > > entire
>>>>> > > program is live. It also can optionally remove dead but
>>>>> > > may-be-infinite loops.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > When enabled for –O3 (replacing current ADCE pass) and removing
>>>>> > > loops,
>>>>> > > impact on SPEC2006 is in the noise but it impacts internal
>>>>> > > benchmarks
>>>>> > > suites 1-2% with a comparable increase in compile time.  My
>>>>> > > expectation would be to enable –O3 only until we have some
>>>>> > > experience
>>>>> > > with cost but I suspect it should be fine –O2.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Just to clarify, you're saying that both runtime and compile time
>>>>> > impact
>>>>> > were in the noise on SPEC, right?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > What information would the community like to see about such a
>>>>> > > change
>>>>> > > before I put up a diff and (including tweaks to unit tests).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm not sure that there's much to discuss in the abstract - it's much
>>>>> > easier to evaluate this kind of thing when there's a patch to refer
>>>>> > to.
>>>>> > Presumably people will want to try the patch out on their own
>>>>> > internal
>>>>> > benchmarks as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it use post-dominance information?
>>>>>
>>>>>  -Hal
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Thanks
>>>>> > > david
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