[llvm-dev] RFC: Introducing an LLVM Community Code of Conduct

[Nathan Wilson via llvm-dev]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Hal Finkel via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Y Knight via llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> > To: "Chandler Carruth" <chandlerc at llvm.org>
> > Cc: "llvm-dev" <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 6:08:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: Introducing an LLVM Community Code of
> Conduct
> >
> ...
> >
> >
> > The only bit that seems to me really needs fleshing out is what the
> > process for appointing the CoC committee is. I'd sort of assume
> > based on what other organizations do that the LLVM Foundation Board
> > would be responsible for appointing the Committee, but that the
> > Board and the Committe would not be one and the same.
> >
> > Of course, the LLVM Foundation Board *really* must be a transparent,
> > trusted, and respected group in the community in order to be able to
> > properly take on that role. Based on the board members (at least,
> > from the 2014 announcement), it seems to me that there should be no
> > intrinsic problem there...but getting the "trivial" things done like
> > posting the bylaws and meeting notes on the website is really quite
> > important to engender such trust.
>
> I'd like to second this; transparency is very important here. That's
> properly the subject of a different thread.
>
> However, I'd also like to highlight David's comments here:
>
> > Note that we can do this in FreeBSD, because we have an elected Core
> > Team.  The FreeBSD Foundation has spent the last 15 or so years
> > finding its current role (and has offered the LLVM Foundation the
> > benefit of this experience).  Unlike the Foundation, which is an
> > independent entity from the project (though one that consults with
> > Core on a regular basis and provides valuable services to the
> > project), Core is 100% accountable to the FreeBSD project.  Every
> > two years, anyone active committer (defined as someone who has
> > committed something to a FreeBSD repository in the last year) is
> > entitled to vote for the new Core Team (and, of course, to stand for
> > election).
>
> and say that this seems like a good model for the CoC committee process.
> Specifically, something that is community driven. As Chris said,
>
> > [...] what the LLVM Foundation is
> > about.  It isn’t about making technical decisions (we have code
> > owners for that).  It is designed to handle administration of the
> > project and infrastructure, including planning and rolling out of
> > the devmtgs.
>
> and this is clearly an important function. One thing that defines LLVMs
> code ownership role is that it is not particularly hierarchical in
> authority. A code owner is quite-accurately described as a "first among
> equals", and maintaining that flavor in the structure of the community is
> important. The LLVM foundation, as an entity tasked with financial
> obligations, can have an independent process for determining its
> leadership, and that's not inappropriate.
>
> Finally, I'd like to say that one of the most attractive things about this
> community is how professional it is. The people are respectful, polite,
> patient and helpful. What I'm hearing is that experience from other
> communities suggests that having a CoC will help ensure these qualities
> continue to define LLVM's community, and therefore, I'm in favor.
>

I haven't been part of the community for very long, but I'd like to echo
Hal's sentiments here and agree very much with what he's said. So, +1.


>
> Thanks again,
> Hal
>
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