[llvm-dev] TSAN hack on AArch64 for Android
Renato Golin via llvm-dev
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Tue Aug 18 13:53:44 PDT 2015
On 18 August 2015 at 19:57, Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov at google.com> wrote:
> Hi Renato,
> What exactly hack/hacks do you mean?
The sanitizer code seems to be more accepting to adding complicated
pre-processor logic, as well as a number of alternative functions to
work around various inefficiencies in other systems, but in other LLVM
projects, such as Clang and the back-ends, we tend to be less
accepting of work-arounds being implemented just for the same of a
This case adds an immense complexity (see the size of the patch), and
it has an immense number of odd assumptions (see the amount of
negative feedback on the patch), that may never have been tested in
other architectures (see some comments about generalising the wrong
stuff). All of that, to be able to "experiment" with TSAN on Android
See, if TSAN was completely broken in AArch64, or if other people
weren't trying to push it upstream, I'd understand someone throwing a
bunch of hacked files that "works on their boxes", if that's disabled
by default and is only supposed to work when invoked. But none of that
TSAN works to an extent in AArch64, and we have been pushing some
patches to prove that. With ASAN live on the buildbots, and the
builtins working, we'll now focus on TSAN to get it being tested in
the buildbots, too. That's Linux AArch64, of course, as we don't test
Android at all.
Now, the oddities with Android is that bionic and the rest of the
run-time is crippled in ways that no other system I know gets close.
Layers upon layers of libraries, aliases, asm hackery, just to make it
build. Adding Clang to the list of compilers did not make it better.
This comment baffles me: "Ideally, this should be supported with the
__thread keyword, but that is not yet supported, and it is a much
bigger chunk of work to get it integrated into the default android
AFAIK, __thread is supported by GCC and Clang, and this seems to be a
problem in Android's linker. So, to work around a problem in Android's
linker, we're adding a huge pile of code to LLVM for a temporary fix
because of a possible experimentation in Android?
The amount of work being done, and still required, to get this patch
upstream in any decent shape or form will take many engineer-months,
probably the same as it would to actually fix the linker in the first
place. Especially if you add up the work that will be required to
*remove* all that after the linker is fixed.
But I'm being over-optimistic here. I'm old enough to know that,
whenever someone introduces a "work-around that works", the
probability of anyone fixing the original problem is zero. And the
Android code that I had the displeasure to see, so far, has shown me
that this is ultimately true on their side. And that's why I'm
baffled, because we're moving that mentality, that work arounds are
ok, no matter how ugly they are, into LLVM, and everyone seems to be
ok with it.
If everyone is ok with it, I'll just shut up. But I'd like to make
sure that everyone is ok to do so.
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