[LLVMdev] Interfacing llvm with a precise, relocating GC
Philip Reames
listmail at philipreames.com
Mon Oct 28 14:26:01 PDT 2013
On 10/25/13 9:37 PM, Michael Lewis wrote:
> I'm also highly interested in relocating-GC support from LLVM. Up
> until now my GC implementation has been non-relocating which is
> obviously kind of a bummer given that it inhibits certain classes of
> memory allocation/deallocation tricks.
Out of idle curiosity, which optimizations were you most interested in?
> I wrote up a bunch of my findings on the implementation of my GC here:
> https://code.google.com/p/epoch-language/wiki/GarbageCollectionScheme
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I had actually run across this a
while ago and read through it. It's always nice to learn from others
rather than repeating the same lessons. For example, the stack coloring
problem you mention was one I'm glad to know I don't have to discover
myself. :)
>
>
> Frankly I haven't had time to get much further than idle pondering of
> how I'd go about implementing relocation, but it seems to me like the
> existing read/write barrier intrinsics might be sufficient if abused
> properly by the front-end and lowered carefully. My operating
> hypothesis has been to stash barriers at key points - identified by
> the front-end itself - and possibly elide them during lowering if it's
> safe to do so. If my understanding is correct, it should be possible
> to lower the barriers into exactly the kind of boxing/unboxing
> procedure described in this thread.
>
> Based on my experimentation so far, which is admittedly minimal, I
> think the overhead of updating relocated pointers is actually not as
> bad as it sounds. It isn't strictly necessary to store both a boxed
> *and* unboxed pointer in every frame. In fact, in the current
> incarnation of gcroot, marking an alloca as a gcroot effectively
> forces a stack spill for that alloca; this means that the relocating
> collector just updates the single existing pointer on the stack when
> it does its magic, and you're done. With proper barriers in place,
> and/or careful location of safepoints by the front-end, it's not that
> hard to make sure that a relocated pointer gets updated.
I'm not concerned about the correctness of such an implementation. I am
concerned about the performance. I think it's time for us to do some
prototyping on our side to see how things work out in practice. I can't
promise to share the detailed results, but I will try to share as much
as I can.
>
> The real trick, as near as I can tell, would be updating registers
> that have live roots during a collection. But again based on my past
> investigations this should just be a matter of ensuring that
> post-collection you have a barrier that is lowered into a register
> refresh based on the on-stack relocated pointer value.
>
>
> One thing I've been meaning to try and do is use this barrier-abuse
> scheme to work around the existing lack of support for tracing roots
> in machine registers, by effectively setting up an artificial stack
> spill just prior to a collection, and otherwise operating on registers
> as much as possible instead of gcroot'ed allocas. Again, I've only
> considered this as a thought exercise until now, so I apologize if
> there's some obvious flaw I'm not aware of in my reasoning. I haven't
> actually done any of this stuff yet so it's more speculative than
> anything - just trying to creatively engineer around the existing
> limitations :-)
Hey speculation is fine! That's what I'm doing at the moment. You have
to speculate while trying figure out if something is worth actually
implementing. :)
This is conceptually close to the scheme I'm considering, though
different in details. If you get a chance, let me know how it works out.
>
>
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Philip Reames
> <listmail at philipreames.com <mailto:listmail at philipreames.com>> wrote:
>
> On 10/25/13 1:10 PM, Ben Karel wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Sanjoy Das
>> <sanjoy at azulsystems.com <mailto:sanjoy at azulsystems.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rafael, Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for the prompt reply.
>>
>> One approach we've been considering involves representing the
>> constraint "pointers to heap objects are invalidated at every
>> safepoint" somehow in the IR itself. So, if %a and %b are
>> values the
>> GC is interested in, the safepoint at the back-edge of a loop
>> might
>> look like:
>>
>> ; <label>: body
>> %a = phi i32 [ %a.relocated, %body ] [ %a.initial_value,
>> %pred ]
>> %b = phi i32 [ %b.relocated, %body ] [ %b.initial_value,
>> %pred ]
>> ;; Use %a and %b
>>
>> ;; The safepoint starts here
>> %a.relocated = @llvm.gc_relocate(%a)
>> %b.relocated = @llvm.gc_relocate(%b)
>> br %body
>>
>> This allows us to not bother with relocating derived pointers
>> pointing
>> inside %a and %b, since it is semantically incorrect for llvm
>> to reuse
>> them in the next iteration of the loop.
>>
>>
>> This is the right general idea, but you can already express this
>> constraint in LLVM as it exists today, by using
>> llvm.gcroot(). As you noted, this also solves the
>> interior-pointer problem by making it the front end's job to
>> convey to LLVM when it would/would not be safe to cache interior
>> pointers across loop iterations. The invariant that a front-end
>> must maintain is that any pointer which is live across a given
>> potential-GC-point must be reloaded from its root after a
>> (relocating) GC might have occurred. This falls naturally out of
>> the viewpoint that %a is not an object pointer, it's the name of
>> an object pointer's value at a given point in time. So, of
>> course, whenever that object pointer's value might change, there
>> must be a new name.
> To rephrase, you're saying that the current gcroot mechanism is
> analogous to a boxed object pointer. We could model a safepoint
> by storing the unboxed value into the box, applying an opaque
> operation to the box, and reloading the raw object pointer from
> the box. (The opaque operator is key to prevent the store/load
> pair from being removed. It also implements the actual safepoint
> operation.) Is this a correct restatement?
>
> Here's an example:
> gcroot a = ...; b = ...;
> object* ax = *a, bx = *b;
> repeat 500000 iterations {
> spin for 50 instructions
> *a = ax;
> *b = bx;
> safepoint(a, b)
> ax = *a;
> bx = *b;
> }
>
> If so, I would agree with you that this is a correct encoding of
> object relocation. I think what got me confused was using the
> in-tree examples to reverse engineer the semantics. Both the
> Erlang and Ocaml examples insert safepoints after all the LLVM IR
> passes are run and derived pointers were inserted. This was the
> part that got me thinking that the gcroot semantics were
> unsuitable for a precise relocating collector. If you completely
> ignored these implementations and inserted the full box/safepoint
> call/unbox implementation at each safepoint before invoking any
> optimizations, I think this would be correct.
>
> One problem with this encoding is that there does not currently
> exist an obvious mechanism to describe a safepoint in the IR
> itself. (i.e. there is no llvm.gcsafepoint) You could model this
> with a "well known" function which a custom GCStrategy recorded a
> stackmap on every call. It would be good to extend the existing
> intrinsics with such a mechanism.
>
> At least if I'm reading things right, the current *implementation*
> is not a correct implementation of the intended semantics. In
> particular, the safepoint operation which provides the opaque
> manipulation of the boxed gcroots is not preserved into the
> SelectionDAG. As a result, optimizations on the SelectionDAG could
> eliminate the now adjacent box/unbox pairs. This would break a
> relocating collector.
>
> Leaving this aside, there are also a number of performance
> problems with the current implementation. I'll summarize them here
> for now, but will expand into approaches for resolving each if
> this looks like the most likely implementation strategy.
> 1) Explicitly adding box/safepoint/unbox prevents creation of
> derived pointers. This prevents optimizations such as
> loop-blocking. Ideally, we'd rather let the derived pointers be
> created and capture them for updating at the safepoint.
> 2) The redundant loads and stores required for box/unbox. (These
> might be partially eliminated by other optimization passes.)
> 3) The inability to allocate GC roots to registers.
> 4) Frame sizes are implicitly doubled since both an unboxed and
> boxed representation of every object pointer is required.
>
> Frankly, I think that (3) is likely solvable, but that (1) and (4)
> could be fatal for a high performance implementation. I don't
> have hard numbers on that; I'm simply stating my intuition.
>
>>
>> The fact that the mutable memory associated with a gcroot() is
>> allocated on the stack (rather than, say, a machine register) is
>> an implementation detail; fixing it doesn't require altering the
>> (conceptual) interface for LLVM's existing GC support, AFAICT.
> While in principal, I agree with you here, in practice the
> difference is actually quite significant. I am not convinced that
> the implementation would be straight forward. Let's set this
> aside for the moment and focus on the more fundamental questions.
>>
>> We lower gc_relocate to a
>> pseudo opcode which lowered into nothing after register
>> allocation.
>>
>> The problem is, of course, the performance penalty. Does it make
>> sense to get the register allocator "see" the gc_relocate
>> instruction
>> as a copy so that they get the same register / slot? Will that
>> violate the intended semantics of gc_relocate (for example, after
>> assigning the same register / slot to %a and %a.relocated,
>> are there
>> passes that will try to cache derived pointers across loop
>> iterations)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- Sanjoy
>>
>>
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