[lldb-dev] [RFC] Adding a clang-style LLVM.h (or, "Are you tired of typing 'llvm::' everywhere ?")
Adrian McCarthy via lldb-dev
lldb-dev at lists.llvm.org
Thu Apr 18 09:09:18 PDT 2019
I'd have no objection to individual .cpp files having a few using
declarations for the specific types that file cares about:
And then the rest of the file uses the unqualified `ArrayRef` and
`Optional`. If it's just a few commonly used types, this get the
improvements in typability and readability that you're looking for.
But keeps the aliasing local to the implementation file, which reduces the
risks of conflicts and helps newbies understand where these types come from.
It also avoids the headaches of forward declarations.
LLDB has only a couple using declarations like this right now, but other
parts of LLVM seem to do this more liberally.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 7:31 AM Pavel Labath <pavel at labath.sk> wrote:
> Thanks for the replies. I was hoping to get more positive feedback for
> this, so given the current mixed-feelings replies, I think I'll just
> give up on this idea, unless a more vocal supporter appears (probably
> not the best idea to send this out just before the easter holidays).
> In the mean time, here are my thoughts on what was said.
> On 18/04/2019 01:54, Adrian McCarthy wrote:
> > I don't have a strong opinion, but I lean against the idea for two
> > 1. The `llvm::` prefixes don't really hinder readability for me.
> > They're like `std::` prefixes on all the C++ standard library types,
> > which I'm perfectly happy to type and read--moreso than using
> > declarations. Sure, anybody who's been here a while knows which classes
> > come from LLVM, but new folks might build that knowledge by seeing the
> > prefixes.
> Yeah, I was wondering why I'm bothered by typing "llvm::" and not by
> "std::". I concluded that this is down to two things:
> 1. we don't use that many things from the std:: namespace actually.
> Pretty much everything except std::string and std::vector is discouraged
> because llvm has better alternatives
> 2. llvm names are longer. This is not just due to to "llvm" prefix,
> which is just one char, but also the class names themselves tend to be
> longer. std::vector vs llvm::SmallVector, std::map vs. llvm::DenseMap,
> std::string vs. llvm::StringRef, etc.
> This effect gets multiplied once you start to combine things. For
> instance if you have a function returning Expected<ArrayRef<T>> (which
> is not an unreasonable thing to do), then by the time you spell out the
> full type, more than half of your usable horizontal space is gone.
> Because of this, I've found myself using "auto" or relying on ADL more
> and more often, which I don't consider very ideal either.
> I don't think using "auto" is always a good choice because it hides
> interesting details. E.g. an Optional<T> can look a lot like
> Expected<T>, but there are differences in how they are supposed used
> which should not be overlooked (I wish I was able to type
> "Expected<auto>" :P). And ADL is sometimes just too magical...
> > 2. I'm not a fan of forward declaring types provided by other parts of
> > the code, as it requires intimate knowledge of implementation details.
> > In practice this may not matter much for the types we're considering.
> > If it grew more widespread, however, I'd be more concerned. (Somewhere
> > I've written a long explanation of this opinion. I'll go search for it
> > if anyone cares. The Google style guide discourages forward
> > declarations, but the rationale given there isn't as persuasive.)
> Yeah, I agree the forward declarations are not ideal (and the clang file
> did raise my eyebrows when I first saw it), but after a while I started
> to like it.
> FWIW, I wouldn't be opposed to just #including the relevant files
> instead of forward-declaring stuff, but I think doing it the same way is
> better for consistency.
> Out of interest, I took a look at what lld is doing. I've found that
> while it doesn't have a LLVM.h equivalent, it is a heavy user of "using
> namespace llvm" (about 2 out of 3 cpp files have it). This approach
> wouldn't work that well for us because of naming conflicts ("Module"),
> and I would consider it inferior for the same reason that "using
> namespace std" is discouraged -- it just brings in too much stuff into
> your scope.
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