[cfe-dev] Can we remove llvmbb from IRC?

[Galina Kistanova via cfe-dev]

Thanks, David for proposing the patch.

> but I still would rather there be less noise to make the signal stand
out, so if a bot isn't producing accurate enough info to send mail, then
maybe not IRC either

Fair enough.

IRC notifier is a bot, so if somebody is interested in notifications from a
particular bot they could subscribe to those. And by default we could send
notifications to the #llvm-build only from faster bots with shorter blame
lists. That would discriminate heavier and slower bots, but it seems those
get buried under noise anyway.

David has already said this, but I want to repeat. The bots report only
state changes. If a bot is red, it does not report failures following the
first one till it gets green again. If anyone sees otherwise, please let me
know, so I could troubleshoot.

Thanks

Galina


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 10:34 AM David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fair enough - it is very noisy.
>
> I'm surprised these aren't all producing corresponding emails, though (at
> least those only go to the people on the blame list - but that seemed to be
> the case Nico was citing - though the general "I'm not even to blame but
> this is adding a lot of noise to the channel/making it hard to have
> conversations" is a broad/broader problem). And still seems important to
> improve the signal/noise ratio.
>
> Sent https://reviews.llvm.org/D87100 to do that. & also looking into the
> config about IRC V email notification configuration. Hopefully those
> configurations can be unified. I don't think it's any more appropriate to
> send IRC notifications than email notifications. (I guess now that the IRC
> notifications will be fairly opt-in, maybe - but I still would rather there
> be less noise to make the signal stand out, so if a bot isn't producing
> accurate enough info to send mail, then maybe not IRC either)
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 8:47 AM Reid Kleckner via cfe-dev <
> cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm not on IRC anymore, so my opinion matters less, but I think it's time
>> to shut it down. It is a relic from a different time when there were fewer
>> bots, fewer contributors, and more IRC users. These days it generates too
>> many notifications and the audience isn't as well targeted.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:08 PM Nico Weber via cfe-dev <
>> cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> llvmbb's job is to inform people of build breaks. However, it seems to
>>> trigger for a big list of bots, and at least one of them seems to always be
>>> broken, and the broken bots tend to have cycle times of several hours. So
>>> if you're on IRC and you commit something, you get pinged by llvmbb for
>>> hours afterwards.
>>>
>>> Does anyone think llvmbb is useful?
>>>
>>> The best thing about llvmbb I've heard it's easy to just "/ignore
>>> llvmbb", but if that's what everybody does then why not not have it in the
>>> first place?
>>>
>>> Nico
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