[cfe-dev] Can we remove llvmbb from IRC?

[Nico Weber via cfe-dev]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:32 PM David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:07 PM Nico Weber via cfe-dev <
> cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> llvmbb's job is to inform people of build breaks. However, it seems to
>> trigger for a big list of bots, and at least one of them seems to always be
>> broken,
>>
>
> If a bot is always broken it shouldn't be sending email/notifications -
> generally they are configured only to send email on green>red and red>green
> transitions, so if it's already broken you shouldn't be blamed for it. If
> you are seeing bot spam or emails from a bot that's already red, please
> email llvm-dev and the bot maintainer and ask the bot to be reconfigured or
> disabled.
>
> If a bot is regularly flakey (& thus sending email/notifications that are
> false-positives/that no one can act on) please also send email asking for
> the bot to be reconfigured or disabled. (or, if you want to be a bit more
> punchy - send a patch to the zorg repository to have the bot disabled &
> explain why you're proposing that)
>

I agree with this in the abstract, but I get pinged completely reliably at
least twice after every single of my commits. This isn't something that
sometimes happens, it's something that always happens.


>
>
>> and the broken bots tend to have cycle times of several hours.
>>
>
> Long cycle times are a real problem - that might be best left to another
> discussion about buildbot maintenance - I would be for a policy that says
> bot windows shouldn't be longer than, say, an hour or maybe less. (so, eg:
> if you have a bot that's just going to take 5 hours to run - then you need
> 5 machines that each pickup work every hour, so the blame lists are
> smaller) this doesn't solve the problem of being notified 5 hours later
> about a breakage that was caused by someone else who committed a few
> minutes before or after you. Solving that problem will require a much
> greater investment in infrastructure to chain buildbots, possibly use built
> artefacts from one buildbot to another, etc.
>
>
>> So if you're on IRC and you commit something, you get pinged by llvmbb
>> for hours afterwards.
>>
>> Does anyone think llvmbb is useful?
>>
>
> I sometimes find it useful, but happy to move to llvm-build to get those
> notifications. Other folks might not know to do that, though.
>
>
>> The best thing about llvmbb I've heard it's easy to just "/ignore
>> llvmbb", but if that's what everybody does then why not not have it in the
>> first place?
>>
>> Nico
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