[cfe-dev] RFC: Clang-Misexpect Proposal

Paul Kirth via cfe-dev cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org
Wed Jul 24 19:00:41 PDT 2019 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:42 PM Roman Lebedev <lebedev.ri at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:24 AM Paul Kirth <paulkirth at google.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 3:14 PM Roman Lebedev <lebedev.ri at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:06 AM Paul Kirth via cfe-dev
> >> <cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:31 AM Michael Kruse <cfe-dev at meinersbur.de>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds like a useful tool.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks! I certainly hope it will be.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Could it be enough for clang to emit warnings in PGO mode when it
> >> >> detects a mismatch between collected profile data and
> >> >> __builtin_expect() ?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You are right: it might be sufficient to simply gate these warnings
> behind a flag in the PGO pipeline. I think there is a good argument for
> doing it this way. In fact, it's how my prototype works right now, so we
> have certainly considered this option.
> >> >
> >> > However, I think it will still be desirable to have a standalone tool
> that doesn't require the full compilation pipeline. My understanding was
> that clang-tools are often aimed at this exact use-case: i.e. a custom
> driver and partial compilation pipeline.
> >> >
> >> > Another important point is that compiler warnings are, by and large,
> accurate. Our approach to identifying these mismatches is subject to some
> imprecision due to a deficiency in the collected profile.
> >> Can those be simply reported as normal Remarks?
> >> Those can later be visualized over the codebase via opt-viewer.
> >>
> >
> > Could you clarify the context here for me? I'm not sure if you mean:
> >
> > 1. using remarks in place of warnings in the PGO pipeline, but not a
> standalone tool.
> > 2. using remarks in place of warnings in both a standalone tool and in
> the PGO pipeline.
> > 3. using remarks in place of warnings in the PGO pipeline, with no
> standalone tool (so only a compiler flag).
> >
> > If we're only talking about case 1, then I think that could be a good
> compromise w.r.t using warnings in the compiler.
> >
> > I'm not sure I see an advantage to using remarks in a standalone
> tool(scenario 2), or as the sole method of reporting(scenario 3). I'm not
> even sure if that was what you meant, but I'm happy to hear more about the
> approach if I have missed something.
>
> I think i'm failing to catch the subtle difference between 1. and 3.
> I was indeed suggesting to *not* introduce a separate tool,
> just emit the Remark (when some specific new diag group is not disabled)
> when the PGO profile is specified/being used by clang.
>
>
Sorry for the lack of clarity.

In 1, in addition to the new flag in clang you still would have a
standalone tool that emits warnings -- which I think is OK since it isn't
the compiler itself and has a narrow, well defined scope.

In 3, it's just as you describe: only an extension to the compiler based on
Remarks, without any standalone tool.

In my view, using Remarks here doesn't feel like the right tradeoff. They
are tremendously useful for compiler developers, but I don't think the
average user of clang is familiar with them, or should be. My exposure to
Remarks has been exclusively as a diagnostic tool to understand the
reasoning behind which optimizations have occurred or to debug something
within the compiler. Maybe this is an aspect of the toolchain I'm
unfamiliar with, but I can't think of another time we interface with
developer using Remarks rather than directly giving them feedback.

I also worry that if this information is only available in Remarks, then it
will never be used, since it is kind of hidden. On the other hand, having a
standalone tool fits well with existing workflows, and makes it easy for
developers to try out.

Other than my misgivings about issuing warnings based on a heuristic, is
there any advantage to using Remarks over warnings?



> >>
> >> > When we issue a warning in clang-misexpect, it means one of two
> things: (i) your annotation is incorrect, or (ii) your profile data is
> insufficient. While it at least signals to the developer that investigation
> is warranted, it is a somewhat unsatisfactory feedback. I think our best
> effort warnings are a better fit for a clang-tool because of that. To me,
> warnings in the main compiler have a feeling of more significance and a
> higher burden of correctness. For something less precise or not generally
> applicable, a clang-tool appears to be the right place to implement this.
> This seems to be consistent with existing tools, like clang-tidy, that
> enable more warnings/diagnostics than are available in the main compiler.
> >> >
> >> > That being said, we're happy to take feedback from the community. So
> if the general consensus is that this should be part of the PGO pipeline,
> then we can rescope our proposal to only add a new flag to clang.
> >> >
> >> > Or maybe the right thing to do is to have both? I'm not exactly sure,
> which is one of the reasons we made this RFC.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Michael
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Am Di., 23. Juli 2019 um 22:06 Uhr schrieb Paul Kirth via cfe-dev
> >> >> <cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org>:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We would like to propose adding a new clang based tool,
> clang-mispredict, for identifying potentially incorrect uses of
> __builtin_expect().
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- TLDR ---
> >> >> > What are we proposing?
> >> >> > * Adding a new tool, clang-mispredict, to the LLVM project.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is its purpose?
> >> >> > * Identifying potentially problematic uses of __builtin_expect().
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why is this important?
> >> >> > * __builtin_expect() has a high performance cost when it is used
> incorrectly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Where will the code live?
> >> >> > * clang-mispredict will live in clang-tools-extra, and there will
> be some additions to clang.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Open questions
> >> >> > * What is the correct heuristic for determining a mismatch?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Potential shortcomings
> >> >> > * The approach is sensitive to both profiling input and
> configuration.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- Details ---
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We plant to build a new tool, clang-mispredict, on top of Clang’s
> PGO infrastructure. This tool will issue warnings about the use of
> _builtin_expect() when collected PGO profile data shows a mismatch with the
> use of __builtin_expect(). Existing solutions for validating these
> annotations generally follow this approach: leverage dynamic profiling to
> validate existing annotations. This is the approach used in the Linux
> kernel, for example. Unfortunately, existing solutions seem to be custom
> efforts specific to a particular code base. Supporting this in the LLVM
> ecosystem gives developers a general way to check the use of
> _builtin_expect() without creating custom instrumentation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Additionally, if _builtin_expect() is used incorrectly, then
> developers may notice a performance regression when switching to the new
> PM. This happens because the New PM follows performance annotations more
> closely than the legacy PM, and is therefore more likely to try and
> aggressively optimize these cases. Our proposed tool can help developers
> narrow their focus to potentially problematic areas during the transition.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Finally, it may also be beneficial to suggest annotations when
> profiling suggests it would be beneficial. We consider this a desirable
> property not only from a performance standpoint, but also for identifying
> potential bugs (both in the profiling corpus and within the codebase).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We think having clang-mispredict behave similar to clang-tidy is
> good approach. We can use a compile commands database in conjunction with
> profiling data to drive our validation tool. More concretely, we plan to
> use Clang’s existing PGO infrastructure to emit warnings where branch
> weights are assigned, but stop compilation before the IR is passed to the
> backend. This largely amounts to checking if the profile counters are
> outside of certain thresholds for 'hot' and 'cold' code. Similar to clang
> tidy, we plan to support suppressing warnings within the codebase through
> use of comment strings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The most obvious question about this approach is how to quantify
> what is ‘hot’ or ‘cold’. Initially, we plan to use the thresholds already
> present in LLVM; however, we are happy to use any suitable heuristic or
> empirically derived threshold. Input from the community about the correct
> heuristic are most welcome.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Our strategy does have some shortcomings. The usefulness of the
> warnings are directly related to how representative the profiling input
> actually was when compared to its normal use. If the profile collected is
> not representative of typical use, then the warnings may not reflect the
> ground truth. Program and build configuration can also dramatically change
> which paths will be executed, thus affecting the quality of the profile
> data and the generated warnings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ultimately, we are proposing adding a new standalone tool that
> takes a compile commands database and an instrumentation profile to emit
> warnings in a clang-tidy fashion.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please let us know if you have comments or concerns about this
> proposal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Paul Kirth
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > cfe-dev mailing list
> >> >> > cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org
> >> >> > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cfe-dev
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Paul Kirth
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > cfe-dev mailing list
> >> > cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org
> >> > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cfe-dev
> >>
> >> Roman
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Kirth
>
> Roman
>


-- 
Paul Kirth
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/cfe-dev/attachments/20190724/e3cf44b2/attachment.html>

More information about the cfe-dev mailing list