[cfe-dev] [LLVMdev] Phabricator update

Fri Jul 10 12:59:58 PDT 2015

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:20 PM James Y Knight <jyknight at google.com> wrote:

> It's actually surprising to me that the emails from Phabricator and llvm's
> svn *DO* get through most of the time.
>
> Both of these fabricate the "From" address to generate an email
> purportedly be from the author of the svn revision or phabricator comment's
> email address. While the message is hopefully from the real person behind
> that email address, those messages are decidedly NOT from that email
> account. It's not even in the arguably gray area which is mailing lists
> (forwarding -- with some modifications to subject and body -- an email
> really written from the "From" account). No, these messages are just
> fabricated whole-cloth without the knowledge of the sending domain's email
> system.
>
> So, recipients which run DMARC checks will rightfully detect these emails
> as illegitimate, and might reject/quarentine/etc them.
>
> (I've no idea if that's actually what's going on with Apple's servers, but
> an increasing number of domains are using dmarc checks at least as one
> input of "potentially-spam", if not to outright reject the messages. And it
> makes sense to do so: that the entire internet can historically write
> emails that purport to be from me isn't actually a good feature.)
>

Phabricator is using the "I'm an old school mailing list" trick which also
all old school mailing lists use. They set the List-Id field. There was an
attempt to break them, but that didn't go over so well.
Does the llvm mailing list support dmarc by now?

>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, for now I filed the ticket with a sample email that did reach me.
>> Please still let me know if you can dig up a bounced email.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a bounced email, we can look at for clues?
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:49 AM, Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, apple addresses still bounce without a reason - the sendgrid folks
>> say this is completely controlled by apple.com
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__apple.com_&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=CnzuN65ENJ1H9py9XLiRvC_UQz6u3oG6GUNn7_wosSM&m=Mqa_1g5UKNsbn0aQ0VKFPBirtuDLkBvBQ0yu679mx54&s=elG6EczxmfWncMZKv-yxppaOGn5OpDDaWLaUt3hLv9w&e=>'s
>> mail servers - do you have somebody you can ask?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I filed a ticket with sendgrid. Since we're paying them money nowadays,
>>> I hope they'll answer quickly
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:05 AM Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> aaaaaand you're on the bounce list again. I'm going to delete you
>>>> again, but I'd be curious what the problem is...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:50 PM Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You were in sendgrid's bounce list (there must have been at least one
>>>>> bounce from your email to the apple servers). Please let me know if other
>>>>> people had similar problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, lovely :(.  Thanks for the quick fix.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> … just to confirm.  I got my first email from Phab.  Thanks again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:11 PM Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Manuel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the update it has some nice new features.  There is one
>>>>>> issue I am seeing since the update though.  I am the reviewer on
>>>>>> http://reviews.llvm.org/D10386
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__reviews.llvm.org_D10386&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=Mfk2qtn1LTDThVkh6-oGglNfMADXfJdty4_bhmuhMHA&m=off40ffVn-cooharm4ZU3zg8h52va9Tu6rZ6_kvcGlQ&s=RN5zr9YsY6N9JCWdZsVghsr5QrI7432N_x20HINOetw&e=> but
>>>>>> I didn’t get any email for the updates since my entry on July 1.  Do you
>>>>>> know what’s going on?  We had some issues recently with Phab emails being
>>>>>> delayed on Apple mail servers but these emails seems to have completely
>>>>>> disappeared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings llvm'ers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm working on an update to phabricator that brings our fork
>>>>>> significantly closer to the upstream version, thus making maintenance much
>>>>>> easier; this will allow us to upgrade more often.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Upstream has fixed many issues and introduced new ways to customize
>>>>>> the email flow, so
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) while rolling out the new version I'll be fiddling with config
>>>>>> settings; during that time, you might see emails that are not yet what
>>>>>> we'll want the end-state to be; I'll announce on this thread once this is
>>>>>> done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b) the new version gives people more control over the emails; that
>>>>>> means, if you're a phab user, you might get some emails that the list
>>>>>> doesn't get (if you wish to); you can configure that from phab's email
>>>>>> settings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once this is finished, please respond on this thread with your
>>>>>> concerns / comments, or file bugs at
>>>>>> https://llvm.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__llvm.org_bugs_enter-5Fbug.cgi-3Fproduct-3DWebsite&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=Mfk2qtn1LTDThVkh6-oGglNfMADXfJdty4_bhmuhMHA&m=GwQiNgcce55Y-XWCLRie0Je5Va0syrg0At7yCDT2vAc&s=QCpvfTDl5b01KKe2jPNduOCZwh_aJYBxo11o94zSB8A&e=>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> /Manuel
>>>>>>
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