[llvm-devmeeting] Attention moderator: Spammer needs to be removed.

Tue Mar 1 08:16:28 PST 2016

Hi,

I agree with David and Renato. I don’t think this classes perfectly as spam because it is targeted, however it’s borderline because perhaps it’s not quite targeted *enough*.

The mailing list has been active for a long time, this is not a bot and we can take remedial action if the list does get spammed, therefore I don’t think we should come down hard with the banhammer in this case.

James

On 1 Mar 2016, at 16:11, John Randolph via llvm-devmeeting <llvm-devmeeting at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-devmeeting at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:

I disagree with this on the strongest possible terms.  I have moderated mailing lists with tens of thousands of subscribers, and once you let the spammers in, they will proliferate.

-jcr

On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:09 AM, David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com<mailto:dblaikie at gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:04 AM, John Criswell via llvm-devmeeting <llvm-devmeeting at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-devmeeting at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
Dear All,

My thoughts on the matter is that such an email is on topic provided that the person seeking employees is specifically looking for an employee for a position that uses LLVM or one of its related subprojects (e.g., Clang).  My rationale is that we allow job postings on our lists for LLVM-related positions, and so this seems very similar.  My problem with the post is that it does not specifically state that the person is seeking employees for an LLVM-related position; if we allow such posts, we should require that in the future.

+1 to all that, and that's generally been the stance in the past. (I believe Chris Lattner was called out a bit when he posted a Swift posting without much tie in to LLVM, for example - and that was later clarified/corrected to include the LLVM context in that posting)

That being said, is there any benefit to the /meeting/ list being publicly postable? Perhaps, like llvm-bugs, it should be announce-only & leave the discussion to the -dev lists? (most of the announcements are cross-posted to the dev lists anyway, so I assume the meeting list is just for those interested in the meeting, but not all the chatter?)

That said, I'd like to hear what others think.  Is my reasoning reasonable, or should we take a hard line against such posts?

Regards,

John Criswell

On 3/1/16 10:57 AM, Renato Golin via llvm-devmeeting wrote:
On 1 March 2016 at 15:11, John Randolph via llvm-devmeeting
<llvm-devmeeting at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-devmeeting at lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
I just got spam from one "Amanda Rayworth-Kiernan”, a headhunter who apparently sent her spam to this list.   I haven’t checked whether the list has an explicit anti-spamming policy, but I’m sure I’m not the only person here who doesn’t want headhunters abusing the list in this manner.
I got the same email.

She is *very* specific, and targeting attendees of the next LLVM
meeting, but doesn't seem to be recruiting for any particular
position, but just asking for a coffee break chat. I take it this is
more common in other less technical conferences, though.

I agree the list admin should at least send her a reminder of what the
list is for.

cheers,
--renato
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