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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the info—the distinction between builders and workers was not clear in my mind.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--paulr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Galina Kistanova <gkistanova@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robinson, Paul <paul.robinson@sony.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stella Stamenova <stilis@microsoft.com>; Mehdi AMINI <joker.eph@gmail.com>; David Blaikie <dblaikie@gmail.com>; Philip Reames <listmail@philipreames.com>; LLVM Dev <llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] [EXTERNAL] Re: Responsibilities of a buildbot owner<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Stella,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> This larger problem of build breaks is much harder to address than flaky bots or<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> tests, but I think would improve the health of llvm & friends significantly more (and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> in the meantime, we could tolerate some “flakiness”).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is some work in progress which will hopely improve this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> How do you find a bot owner, anyway?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are few ways, one is described at <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/llvm.org/docs/DeveloperPolicy.html*working-with-the-ci-system__;Iw!!JmoZiZGBv3RvKRSx!oueu9BsVQ5q60e0oDd68Te6fv4CIhglPcDFxG73Bf8LKAXn5Z7Lh2zrH9d27mFBm2g$" target="_blank">
https://llvm.org/docs/DeveloperPolicy.html#working-with-the-ci-system</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Basically, everywhere you can see worker detailed information in the buildbot WebUI, it shows who administers that host.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may want to contact the owner of that *one* bot and see if it is possible to validate your patch before you commit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If an owner does not respond it might mean those builders are unsupported. Usually owners are very good at helping.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Galina<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 2:08 PM <<a href="mailto:paul.robinson@sony.com" target="_blank">paul.robinson@sony.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Stella wrote:<br>
> The few times I’ve made commits to llvm, for example, I’ve always<br>
> gotten at least one email about a break that was unrelated to my<br>
> change (because my changes are perfect, thank you very much). This<br>
> larger problem of build breaks is much harder to address than flaky<br>
> bots or tests, but I think would improve the health of llvm &<br>
> friends significantly more (and in the meantime, we could tolerate<br>
> some “flakiness”).<br>
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This is consistent enough that if I don’t get a bot email, I wonder<br>
if my “git push” failed. <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> The project very much needs a functioning<br>
pre-commit sanity check of some kind. What we have now is Phabricator<br>
running something that basically always fails, making it largely<br>
useless. But that is straying from the topic of bot-owner<br>
responsibilities.<br>
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On that topic, however, I would like to request a way to actively get<br>
help with a bot failure. A little while ago I tried to commit a patch<br>
to lit, which after a couple of tries, passed everywhere except *one*<br>
test on *one* bot. I asked for help on llvm-dev and got no reply.<br>
The patch is reverted and remains on a back burner because I couldn’t<br>
get help. At some point I will try again, but I suspect there won’t<br>
be a way to solve the problem without the active help of the bot owner,<br>
whoever it is. How do you find a bot owner, anyway?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
--paulr<o:p></o:p></p>
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