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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for all the feedback (I’ve been busy with other things but maybe it is time to get back to this subject…).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From my point of view we still got two options (and haven’t really landed in which path to take).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One idea is that I try to update <a href="https://reviews.llvm.org/D110292">
https://reviews.llvm.org/D110292</a> given the feedback I got here (also updating domtree updater's documentation etc). To get a more complete solution for the alternative to make dom tree updates deterministic (resulting in a deterministic order for the child
vectors stored in the GenericDominator tree, given a certain sequence of updates of the dominator tree).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The other alternative is to fix users of the dominator tree iterators that depend on the order to get a deterministic result.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">More specifically the pass that we know may give non-deterministic results is EarlyCSE. Looking at the implementation of EarlyCSE and how it processes nodes in a depth first order, not using the df_iterator helper but rather using a deque
based on a custom StackNode class that keep track of iteration, I don’t fell that confident in changing that implementation. There are references to some old mail discussion from 2012 about the deque having significant performance gains (and using vectors
would result in very large containers giving the access pattern). So if we need to perform some kind of sorting of child nodes on every level during the iteration, then I figure that we basically need to store a vector with all child nodes for each level during
the DFS traversal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One simple remedy for the problem in EarlyCSE (and a simple implementation for the second alternative) might be to always discard the DominatorTree analysis cache in the beginning of EarlyCSE. Then we would need to recalculate the DominatorTree
from scratch (which I think is deterministic, or at least maybe we can make sure it is). Compared to sorting all child nodes for each node in the tree while traversing the tree (and using extra storage for the sorted child lists), then maybe recalculating
the DominatorTree fully isn’t much worse? At least not if we want a quick fix for this while contemplating on a final solution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Björn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jakub (Kuba) Kuderski <kubakuderski@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 27 september 2021 18:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Björn Pettersson A <bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com>; llvm-dev <llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org>; Johan Ringström <johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] DominatorTree, JumpThreading and EarlyCSE non-determinism<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think there's a contradiction here: Just because no particular order is guaranteed, doesn't mean that the order can be non-deterministic. A lot of places in LLVM work with orders that are arbitrary and entirely dependent on implementation
details, but are still deterministic (e.g. pretty much every worklist algorithm).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> The problematic code used to be explicitly deterministic (using SmallSetVector, aka deterministic SmallSet), and then someone optimized it based on a premise that turned out to be incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To clarify, I'm concerned about the case when the order changes across different platforms and it affects the generated code in a non-trivial way, for example by changing which optimizations are applied (do we have any precentents for this?).
The DT code does not guarantee that for the same sequence of operations it be in the same order, independently of the environment. Fixing only the update sequence order seems very fragile to me in this setting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 12:37 PM Nikita Popov <<a href="mailto:nikita.ppv@gmail.com" target="_blank">nikita.ppv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 5:47 PM Jakub (Kuba) Kuderski via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Björn,<br>
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Thanks for the update, this is an excellent summary. On the highest level, I don't agree that the dominator tree order or update order is deterministic, and I think we would have to agree to change this assumption first if we want to move forward in the direction
that you suggested in <a href="https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=f8e07038-a77b4938-f8e030a3-86fc6812c361-9819ea20b079b954&q=1&e=78ac22e9-6464-4819-9c9b-1fb886140d3d&u=https%3A%2F%2Freviews.llvm.org%2FD110292" target="_blank">https://reviews.llvm.org/D110292</a>.
The domtree updater's documentation says that all submitted updates are treated as an unordered set, to reserve the right to reorder them internally: <a href="https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=ff2c53aa-a0b76aaa-ff2c1331-86fc6812c361-42ebeb525ce55da7&q=1&e=78ac22e9-6464-4819-9c9b-1fb886140d3d&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fllvm%2Fllvm-project%2Fblob%2F74d622dea450da4b85383aa4b1758b902ef906a6%2Fllvm%2Finclude%2Fllvm%2FSupport%2FGenericDomTree.h%23L530" target="_blank">https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/74d622dea450da4b85383aa4b1758b902ef906a6/llvm/include/llvm/Support/GenericDomTree.h#L530</a>.
The construction/updater code also uses sets internally, which wasn't tested for determinism across different platforms from what I know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think there's a contradiction here: Just because no particular order is guaranteed, doesn't mean that the order can be non-deterministic. A lot of places in LLVM work with orders that are arbitrary and entirely dependent on implementation
details, but are still deterministic (e.g. pretty much every worklist algorithm).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From what I can see, the DT update code really goes out of the way to produce a deterministic result (see
<a href="https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=18d1c589-474afc89-18d18512-86fc6812c361-dd3e5e22123c6663&q=1&e=78ac22e9-6464-4819-9c9b-1fb886140d3d&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fllvm%2Fllvm-project%2Fblob%2F74d622dea450da4b85383aa4b1758b902ef906a6%2Fllvm%2Finclude%2Fllvm%2FSupport%2FCFGUpdate.h%23L95-L111" target="_blank">
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/74d622dea450da4b85383aa4b1758b902ef906a6/llvm/include/llvm/Support/CFGUpdate.h#L95-L111</a>).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At least as far as the status quo is concerned, this seems like a pretty clear cut case: The problematic code used to be explicitly deterministic (using SmallSetVector, aka deterministic SmallSet), and then someone optimized it based on
a premise that turned out to be incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without changing the spec and implementation of the updater, trying to enforce deterministic update vector construction order seems to me more like hiding the underlying issue than addressing it (for example, by not relying on the domtreee
order in the first place). Similarly, I think that changing the order in the printing code but not in the data structure could cause further confusion.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
Jakub<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:29 AM Björn Pettersson A <<a href="mailto:bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com" target="_blank">bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I created a patch that would make the DominatorTree updates (via DomTreeUpdater) happen in a deterministic order (again):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=c3a2a414-9c399d14-c3a2e48f-86fc6812c361-c31a5c9ccb1fdb98&q=1&e=78ac22e9-6464-4819-9c9b-1fb886140d3d&u=https%3A%2F%2Freviews.llvm.org%2FD110292" target="_blank">
https://reviews.llvm.org/D110292</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I write again, because afaict those updates used to be done in a deterministic order, but it was consciously broken during a series of NFCI patches earlier this year including commits
such as <a href="https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=e88d4d84-b7167484-e88d0d1f-86fc6812c361-194248bc29a4a980&q=1&e=78ac22e9-6464-4819-9c9b-1fb886140d3d&u=https%3A%2F%2Freviews.llvm.org%2FrGe5692a564a73ef63b7baaf80c2b7a62ad74e9e66" target="_blank">
https://reviews.llvm.org/rGe5692a564a73ef63b7baaf80c2b7a62ad74e9e66</a> and <a href="https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=4fbdb635-10268f35-4fbdf6ae-86fc6812c361-cd59c6c0e08a7a9c&q=1&e=78ac22e9-6464-4819-9c9b-1fb886140d3d&u=https%3A%2F%2Freviews.llvm.org%2FrG1c55dcbca71d2df2fee4564ad53b62505fdbb819" target="_blank">
https://reviews.llvm.org/rG1c55dcbca71d2df2fee4564ad53b62505fdbb819</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It has been questioned in D110292 if that patch really is the wanted solution. The alternative would be that transforms that depend on the node order would need to do some kind
of sorting before iterating over nodes in the tree (to get a deterministic order for the traversal).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">Here are some of my quick reasoning about the alternatives:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">One assumed upside with D110292 is that if passes like EarlyCSE need to make an ordering for the nodes to be iterated themselves, then that would be an extra cost (at least potentially)
compared to just doing things in a deterministic order from the start.<br>
With that being said, the accumulative cost of doing things like in this patch up-front might end up being higher than doing a single sorting later. And it will also just add a cost even if there are no passes later in the pipeline that depends on the node
order. So lots of uncertainty when considering which is best for compile-time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">One downside with D110292 is that if the analysis is invalidated (and recalculated from scratch) then we probably get a different order of the nodes. Still making things a bit shaky
when debugging/bisecting/reducing test cases.<br>
With that being said, when debugging and printing the DomTree between passes etc it could be nice if the printout is deterministic. This could of course be solved by doing some kind of sorting also before printing the tree, just like we would have to do in
EarlyCSE. The performance of the print-function itself should not be that important so that is a smaller problem of course.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So how do we decide what to do here and how to proceed? (The compiler is currently broken, and I’ve prepared a patch based on one of the possible solutions…)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Björn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Björn Pettersson A via llvm-dev<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 21 september 2021 22:30<br>
<b>To:</b> Jakub (Kuba) Kuderski <<a href="mailto:kubakuderski@gmail.com" target="_blank">kubakuderski@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>; Johan Ringström <<a href="mailto:johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com" target="_blank">johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] DominatorTree, JumpThreading and EarlyCSE non-determinism<o:p></o:p></p>
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>> Although, that still doesn’t solve the potential problem (fault?) that the nodes aren’t inserted in those vectors with child nodes in the first place.<o:p></o:p></p>
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>> And neither does it help EarlyCSE to find the optimal order of iterating through child nodes (to eliminate all possible PHI-nodes in my example). I.e. the outcome from EarlyCSE would still depend on the sorting order for the DomTree with such a solution.
But maybe that just is how the algorithm in EarlyCSE is supposed to work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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> Can you explain these two? I'm not very familiar with either JT or EarlyCSE and don't follow.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">With the first one I was thinking that there wouldn’t be any need to sort child nodes if the DomTree updates made by JumpThreading were made in a deterministic order. I.e. sorting
post updating the dominator tree would only hide the actual problem, at least if the idea is that the vector with child nodes is sorted by the insertion order.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">After some more debugging I’ve found that the culprit here seem to be that llvm::MergeBasicBlockIntoOnlyPred (in Local.cpp) is using a SmallPtrSet for the PredsOfPredBB temporary
list. And then the Updates sent to DomTreeUpdater ends up in a non-deterministic order based memory allocations. If changing from SmallPtrSet to SmallVector, then the updates will be deterministic.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(I’ll prepare a patch for that!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My point/question related to EarlyCSE is that the transformation done by that pass seem to depend on the internal order of nodes inside the DominatorTree. And I wonder if that is
a known fact, or if it should be considered as a fault. So at the moment, the order in which DominatorTree is updated by a previous pass could impact if EarlyCSE is doing a certain transform or not. And if for example modifying the pipeline slightly to invalidate
the DominatorTree analysis before EarlyCSE, then I might get different IR in the output from EarlyCSE. Feels a bit strange (and unlucky) IMO that not only the input IR to EarlyCSE will impact the result, but also how the DominatorTree is calculated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So for EarlyCSE, it could be possible to make it less sensitive to the DominatorTree internal structure/sorting by adding some kind of sorting by basic block order when processing
the dom tree nodes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But making EarlyCSE insensitive to how nodes are ordered in the DominatorTree would only make sure that the EarlyCSE transformation are applied in a given order. But apparently
we get different results depending on in which order we process the nodes. And that is what I meant by talking about “optimal order”. I don’t know if EarlyCSE should run twice or something (such as processing nodes in forward+reverse order) to make sure we
do not miss out on transformation that would have been applied if using a different node processing order. Is that making sense?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Björn Pettersson A <<a href="mailto:bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com" target="_blank">bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Roman Lebedev <<a href="mailto:lebedev.ri@gmail.com" target="_blank">lebedev.ri@gmail.com</a>>; llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>; Johan Ringström <<a href="mailto:johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com" target="_blank">johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] DominatorTree, JumpThreading and EarlyCSE non-determinism<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Although, that still doesn’t solve the potential problem (fault?) that the nodes aren’t inserted in those vectors with child nodes in the first place.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And neither does it help EarlyCSE to find the optimal order of iterating through child nodes (to eliminate all possible PHI-nodes in my example). I.e. the outcome from EarlyCSE
would still depend on the sorting order for the DomTree with such a solution. But maybe that just is how the algorithm in EarlyCSE is supposed to work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Can you explain these two? I'm not very familiar with either JT or EarlyCSE and don't follow.<br>
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I was thinking about something like this:<br>
- Iterate over the whole function to create a mapping BB -> idx<br>
- If a pass depends on the order of children, add a helper function like reorder(tree_node_range, bb_to_idx_map) and wrap all calls to children with that<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">- If a pass depends on DFS numbers, use the BB -> idx map if possible, or have a helper function that fixes up dfs numbers based on the map<br>
- If it's inconvenient to implement the same helpers in multiple places in the codebase, add a function to DT that will actually change the children order based on a given comparison function<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:03 AM Björn Pettersson A <<a href="mailto:bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com" target="_blank">bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Jakub,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I imagine sorting the children would solve the problem with non-determinism for the test case (just like it helps to invalidate/recalculate the DomTree before EarlyCSE). I haven’t
tested it though (I’m not quite sure how to get the basic block order number quickly for a BasicBlock).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Although, that still doesn’t solve the potential problem (fault?) that the nodes aren’t inserted in those vectors with child nodes in the first place.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And neither does it help EarlyCSE to find the optimal order of iterating through child nodes (to eliminate all possible PHI-nodes in my example). I.e. the outcome from EarlyCSE
would still depend on the sorting order for the DomTree with such a solution. But maybe that just is how the algorithm in EarlyCSE is supposed to work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">/Björn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> den 21 september 2021 16:27<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Roman Lebedev <<a href="mailto:lebedev.ri@gmail.com" target="_blank">lebedev.ri@gmail.com</a>>; llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>; Johan Ringström <<a href="mailto:johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com" target="_blank">johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] DominatorTree, JumpThreading and EarlyCSE non-determinism<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Björn,<br>
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From the perspective of DomTree, node children are generally unordered. I think a pass can be sensitive to DT order by either directly relying on tree children order or on DFS numbers.<br>
If that's the case, one workaround would be to re-order children based on the block order in the parent. If that's a common enough requirement, we could add it to DT.<br>
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Would that solve the problem?<br>
-Jakub<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 9:33 AM Björn Pettersson A via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes, the IR looks the same out from jump-threading for this specific input (at least when comparing output from -print-after-all).
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It is the order of the DominatorTree updates that I suspect differ a bit (at least according to the -debug printouts), giving slightly different node orders in the DominatorTree. And I have no idea if JumpThreading can be blamed for that or if it is the Lazy
strategy in the DomTreeUpdater.<br>
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I guess I'll file a PR for this. But I'm still not quite sure what the rules are here (if both passes are wrong, or which one to blame), and what to expect more generally in situation like this one.<br>
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/Björn<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Roman Lebedev <<a href="mailto:lebedev.ri@gmail.com" target="_blank">lebedev.ri@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Sent: den 21 september 2021 15:15<br>
> To: Björn Pettersson A <<a href="mailto:bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com" target="_blank">bjorn.a.pettersson@ericsson.com</a>><br>
> Cc: llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>; Johan Ringström<br>
> <<a href="mailto:johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com" target="_blank">johan.ringstrom@ericsson.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] DominatorTree, JumpThreading and EarlyCSE non-<br>
> determinism<br>
> <br>
> Does JumpThreading produce exactly the same IR in all of the situations?<br>
> But even if it does, this does seem like a bug.<br>
> <br>
> Roman<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 4:10 PM Björn Pettersson A via llvm-dev<br>
> <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hello llvm-dev,<br>
> ><br>
> > Recently I've been debugging a non-determinism problem.<br>
> ><br>
> > I've managed to narrow it down to running:<br>
> ><br>
> > opt -passes='function(jump-threading,print<domtree>,early-cse)'<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From debug printouts (also adding -debug to the cmd line) it looks like<br>
> jump-threading is doing doing dominator tree updates in a non-deterministic<br>
> order (when comparing different runs).<br>
> ><br>
> > I randomly get either of these two DominatorTrees in the print<domtree><br>
> printouts:<br>
> ><br>
> > DominatorTree for function: g<br>
> > =============================--------------------------------<br>
> > Inorder Dominator Tree: DFSNumbers invalid: 0 slow queries.<br>
> > [1] %entry {4294967295,4294967295} [0]<br>
> > [2] %for.cond1 {4294967295,4294967295} [1]<br>
> > [3] %if.then {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [4] %for.cond5.preheader {4294967295,4294967295} [3]<br>
> > [5] %cleanup {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [6] %cleanup16 {4294967295,4294967295} [5]<br>
> > [7] %unreachable {4294967295,4294967295} [6]<br>
> > [7] %for.end21 {4294967295,4294967295} [6]<br>
> > [5] %for.body7 {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [6] %for.inc {4294967295,4294967295} [5]<br>
> > [5] %return {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [3] %cleanup16.thread {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [3] %for.inc19 {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [2] %for.cond {4294967295,4294967295} [1]<br>
> > Roots: %entry<br>
> ><br>
> > DominatorTree for function: g<br>
> > =============================--------------------------------<br>
> > Inorder Dominator Tree: DFSNumbers invalid: 0 slow queries.<br>
> > [1] %entry {4294967295,4294967295} [0]<br>
> > [2] %for.cond1 {4294967295,4294967295} [1]<br>
> > [3] %for.inc19 {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [3] %if.then {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [4] %for.cond5.preheader {4294967295,4294967295} [3]<br>
> > [5] %cleanup {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [6] %cleanup16 {4294967295,4294967295} [5]<br>
> > [7] %unreachable {4294967295,4294967295} [6]<br>
> > [7] %for.end21 {4294967295,4294967295} [6]<br>
> > [5] %for.body7 {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [6] %for.inc {4294967295,4294967295} [5]<br>
> > [5] %return {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [3] %cleanup16.thread {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [2] %for.cond {4294967295,4294967295} [1]<br>
> > Roots: %entry<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I think both trees are correct, the nodes are just in a different order.<br>
> This can also be seen if I add invalidate<domtree> before print<domtree> to<br>
> force a recalculation. Then it will look like this instead (same content,<br>
> but the level 3 nodes printed in yet another order):<br>
> ><br>
> > DominatorTree for function: g<br>
> > =============================--------------------------------<br>
> > Inorder Dominator Tree: DFSNumbers invalid: 0 slow queries.<br>
> > [1] %entry {4294967295,4294967295} [0]<br>
> > [2] %for.cond1 {4294967295,4294967295} [1]<br>
> > [3] %cleanup16.thread {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [3] %for.inc19 {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [3] %if.then {4294967295,4294967295} [2]<br>
> > [4] %for.cond5.preheader {4294967295,4294967295} [3]<br>
> > [5] %cleanup {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [6] %cleanup16 {4294967295,4294967295} [5]<br>
> > [7] %unreachable {4294967295,4294967295} [6]<br>
> > [7] %for.end21 {4294967295,4294967295} [6]<br>
> > [5] %return {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [5] %for.body7 {4294967295,4294967295} [4]<br>
> > [6] %for.inc {4294967295,4294967295} [5]<br>
> > [2] %for.cond {4294967295,4294967295} [1]<br>
> > Roots: %entry<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > *** Question one ***<br>
> > Maybe it is OK from a correctness point-of-view that JumpThreading isn't<br>
> producing the same node order every time (given same input), even though it<br>
> might be a bit confusing when debugging. Or should this be seen as a bug?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Next problem/question is related to EarlyCSE. It looks like the output<br>
> from EarlyCSE depends on the node order in the dominator tree. So depending<br>
> on if JumpThreading has produced the first or second of the DominatorTree<br>
> structures above we might end up eliminating one more/less PHI node during<br>
> EarlyCSE.<br>
> ><br>
> > *** Question two ***<br>
> > Should be seen as a bug? Or are passes in general sensitive to how<br>
> analysis information is produced (such as the node order in a dominator<br>
> tree) and thus being allowed to produce better/worse code depending on such<br>
> things?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > To summarize:<br>
> > JumpThreading is non-deterministic but produces semantically "equivalent"<br>
> results.<br>
> > EarlyCSE is deterministic, but the result depends on order of nodes in<br>
> the DominatorTree.<br>
> > Those two things together gives a non-deterministic IR result. And I<br>
> figure that should be seen as a bug. Just not sure if the fault is in<br>
> DominatorTreeUpdater, JumpThreading or EarlyCSE (or if it should be seen as<br>
> multiple faults).<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Björn<br>
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