<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mehdi AMINI <<a href="mailto:joker.eph@gmail.com">joker.eph@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:49 PM Alexandre Ganea <<a href="mailto:alexandre.ganea@ubisoft.com" target="_blank">alexandre.ganea@ubisoft.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">The API benefits sound nice, though presumably some could be retrofitted to cl::opt if that was the only goal. Side benefits in addition to removing global ctors are nice to have.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">The drawback is some initial boilerplate (e.g. llvm-tblgen -gen-opt-parser-defs in CMakeLists.txt, class NmOptTable in code).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">The handling of comma separated options -arch=x86_64,arm64 doesn't have direct OptTable support. llvm::SplitString is needed (just search for SplitString in <a href="https://reviews.llvm.org/D105330" target="_blank">https://reviews.llvm.org/D105330</a>)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">But this doesn't tend to increase complexity because the cl::list<std::string> will need per-value verification anyway.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">One potential one (though I don't recall it being discussed recently) would be that maybe this addresses the issue of global ctors in cl::opt? Does OptTable avoid/not use global constructors? That would be nice
- it's an ongoing issue that LLVM library users pay for command line argument support they have no need for in the form of global ctor execution time.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">OptTable is used as a local variable. So yes, it avoids global constructors,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">Nice :)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">Note that MLIR is using cl::opt without global ctor (we build with `-Werror=global-constructors`).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">The pattern we use to write a tool with cl::opt and avoid global ctor (and can be used to avoid collision) looks like: <a href="https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/main/mlir/lib/IR/MLIRContext.cpp#L57-L83" target="_blank">https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/main/mlir/lib/IR/MLIRContext.cpp#L57-L83</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">The tool that wants to expose the MLIRContext options to the command line calls registerMLIRContextCLOptions() before parsing the command line.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">Wouldn't this translate directly to LLVM tools as well with some minor refactoring?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">The same applies to all of the infrastructure in MLIR, passes are registered explicitly, etc. This decouples the "is this code linked in" from "options are loaded" annoying part of the global constructors.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">Mehdi<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>[Alexandre Ganea] </i></b>I think one other issue with cl::opt is that it aggregates the “command-line argument definition” and the “runtime parameter”
<i>de facto</i> in a single object (unless cl::location is manually specified to every cl::opt). What MLIR does solves the issue mentioned by David, the fact that every tool pulls/initializes every cl::opt out there. However OptTable solves both problems, and
makes the entry point thread-safe.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> </p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree that removing the global state would be great!</div><div>Right now what I see proposed with OptTable (like <a href="https://reviews.llvm.org/D104889" target="_blank">https://reviews.llvm.org/D104889</a>) seems to just address the tools-specific options, and the value isn't clear to me for these cases, since these options aren't exposed through library entry points.</div><div>I don't quite get right now how OptTable would compose at the LLVM scale? Are there examples of libraries exposing pluggable hooks for a tool to aggregate multiple libraries' options and expose them on the command line?</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>The first message listed:</div><div><br></div><div>* -t=d is removed (equal sign after a short option). Use -t d instead.<br>* --demangle=0 (=0 to disable a boolean option) is removed. Omit the option or use --no-demangle instead.<br>* To support boolean options (e.g. --demangle --no-demangle), we don't need to compare their positions (if (NoDemangle.getPosition() > Demangle.getPosition()) , see llvm-nm.cpp)<br>* grouped short options can be specified with one line `setGroupedShortOptions`, instead of adding cl::Grouping to every short options.<br>* We don't need to add cl::cat to every option and call `HideUnrelatedOptions` to hide unrelated options from --help. The issue would happen with cl::opt tools if linker garbage collection is disabled or libLLVM-13git.so is used. (See <a href="https://reviews.llvm.org/D104363" target="_blank">https://reviews.llvm.org/D104363</a>)<br></div><div><br></div><div>To me <b>these points are all usability issues of cl::opt</b>. I care about not exposing unnecessary interfaces so cl::opt accepting the weird -t=d looks a downside to me.</div><div><br></div><div>--demangle=0 is weird and some llvm/llvm/test tests do use cl::opt options this way, so we cannot just remove this usage. As a workaround, we could add a cl::foobar_toggle to a cl::opt to disallow =0.</div><div>We would end with more customization for one option, cl::cat (for hiding unrelated options), cl::foobar_toggle (for disallowing =0), and potentially others for other ad-hoc tasks.</div><div><br></div><div>I can highlight another thing about the global state of cl::opt => <b>library cl::opt and binary utility cl::opt share the same namespace</b>.</div><div>So cl::opt options (usually for debugging or testing) in library code can end up in a tool's list of command line options.</div><div>This is usually undesired (e.g. llvm-objdump --x86-asm-syntax in <a href="https://reviews.llvm.org/D100433">https://reviews.llvm.org/D100433</a>).</div><div>People may not notice this if they always use -DLLVM_LINK_LLVM_DYLIB=off and don't use linker garbage collection.</div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>