<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 6:44 PM Philip Reames <<a href="mailto:listmail@philipreames.com">listmail@philipreames.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>When working on a couple of recent changes in SCEV, I stumbled on
a couple of gaps around how we optimize the @llvm.umin
intrinsics. If I remember correctly, we added these because they
needed different poison propagation semantics than select, and
that memory triggered a thought. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>The min/max intrinsics have the same poison semantics as their select forms. It's the undef semantics that differ.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I believe that the primary motivation for having the intrinsics is that maintaining canonical SPF form is hard. Especially many InstCombine optimizations need to be very careful about not breaking canonical SPF form, because doing so will likely result in an infinite combine loop.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<p>I want to raise the question of whether we should support both
possible poison propagation semantics for the select instruction.
As a brief review, the two options are:</p>
<ol>
<li>Poison propagates only through the selected operand. e.g.
"select i1 true, i32 0, i32 poison" is not poison. <br>
</li>
<li>Poison propagates if any operand is poison. e.g. "select i1
true, i32 0, i32 poison" is poison. </li>
</ol>
<p>Each of the two options has advantages. This was discussed in
depth a while ago, and we'd picked (1). I don't want to reopen
that discussion; I want to raise the question of whether we should
pick "both". <br>
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<p>If we were to add a flag "npo" (for "no poison operand",
bikeshedding welcome!) to the select instruction, we could
represent both options. This has a couple of advantages:</p>
<ul>
<li>We can lower all of the umin/etc.. intrinsics to selects and
avoid having to duplicate folds. This would reduce the
combinatoric space for pattern matching optimizations. This
would probably help optimization results in practice.<br></li></ul></div></blockquote><div>min/max intrinsics currently don't have full support in InstCombine yet, because we haven't ported all transforms from SPF min/max. Once that is done and we canonicalize to the intrinsic form, we can drop the duplicate SPF folds. From an optimization quality perspective, we're not ready to canonicalize to intrinsics yet. Unfortunately, SCEVExpander has already been switched to use intrinsics before this work completed, which is presumably how you got here. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><ul><li>
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<li>We can restore many of the removed select->arithmetic folds
(only for the npo selects).</li></ul></div></blockquote><div>Which transforms do you have in mind here? The select -> and/or transform is the only one I'm aware of, but in that case we're using select specifically for it's current poison semantics, to prevent that fold from happening where it is not legal.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><ul>
<li>We can infer npo flag on a select in many cases. (e.g.
"select i1 %c, i32 0, i32 57" can be trivially converted to
"select npo i1 %c, i32 0, i32 57") This also allows us to
factor logic into testable pieces whereas current transforms
which are npo dependent must include the no-poison inference.<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The major downside is that transformation code would have to be
careful to only apply transforms dependent on "no poison operand"
if the flag is set.</p>
<p>Anyways, I don't have time to actually work on this, so I'm
mostly throwing out the idea in case anyone with time and
motivation finds it interesting to pursue.</p></div></blockquote><div>With the above notes in mind, I'm not sure where having the flag would really be advantageous.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Nikita<br></div></div></div>