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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/1/20 2:12 PM, Chris Lattner wrote:<br>
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          <div class="">On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Philip Reames <<a
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              <p class="">This looks to be a reasonable starting point.</p>
              <p class="">A couple of nit picks, none are blockers.</p>
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                <li class="">I'd hold off on handing out the sub-domain
                  for the moment.  This feels more official than we
                  probably want for a random incubator.  I reserve the
                  right to change my mind here, but maybe we should
                  delay this part until we see what actual incubators
                  look like?  As an alternative, maybe have a common <a
                    href="http://incubator.llvm.org" class=""
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                  which links to the docs defining the process and lists
                  all active incubators with links to docs in their own
                  repo?</li>
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        <div>Sounds great, I’m happy to take this out - this avoids
          “promising” it, but we can still discuss it on a case-by-case
          basis.  I changed this to "Other infrastructure integration
          can be discussed on a case-by-case basis.”, because there are
          bug tracker and other things as well.</div>
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                <li class="">The must/should terminology should probably
                  be factored out once and referenced.  As written, it
                  takes a little effort to be sure the definitions are
                  the same between the two uses.</li>
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        <div>I’m not sure what you mean here.  Do you have a recommended
          approach?</div>
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    Land yours, and if I still care, I'll send a patch.  :)<br>
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                <li class="">I'm not sure I agree with the no-code
                  standard.  I agree with minimal code, but I think an
                  incubator should be established enough to be discussed
                  concretely (e.g. "what is" vs "ideals").</li>
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        <div>I hear what you’re saying, but I think we can handle this
          as part of the approval process.  We can bounce of things that
          qualitatively don’t feel credible and give guidance there, but
          can still be receptive if something seems like a promising
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                <li class="">As I mentioned before, I'd advocate for the
                  notion of a sponsor (an existing LLVM contributor) for
                  each incubator.  I'd have that a must on the incubator
                  list.</li>
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        <div>Yes, this is a good idea.  The problem here is “how do we
          decide who qualifies as a sponsor?”.  I don’t know a good way
          to say that - someone with N years of LLVM experience, M
          patches, …?  How does this get explained?</div>
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    <p>You said elsewhere that we could let this evolve with
      experience.  I would take that sentiment, and apply it here.  I'm
      really more concerned about the expectations of the role (i.e.
      some human familiar with LLVM norms willing to invest non-trivial
      time), than I am the details of who is eligible.</p>
    <p>Since I don't want this to be blocking item, why don't we land
      what you have and I can draft something as a patch?  It seems like
      there's some general agreement about a potential issue and we just
      need to find a way to address it.  <br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/30/20 8:29 PM, Mehdi
                AMINI via llvm-dev wrote:<br class="">
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                <div dir="ltr" class="">Looks like a good proposal to me
                  as-is! Thanks for putting this together to both of you
                  :)
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 30, 2020
                    at 1:49 PM Chris Lattner via llvm-dev <<a
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                      class="">Hah, whoops, sorry about that.  This is
                      the correct link:
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                            <div class="">On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:41 PM,
                              Thomas Lively <<a
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Chris,
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                                <div class="">I'm also seeing an access
                                  denied error on the first link you
                                  shared, and although I can access the
                                  second document, it doesn't look
                                  like the document you meant to share.
                                  It looks like a one pager on ML in
                                  Swift.</div>
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                                <div class="">Thomas</div>
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                                  Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM Chris
                                  Lattner via llvm-dev <<a
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                                        <div class="">On Jun 30, 2020,
                                          at 11:52 AM, Roman Lebedev
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                                          <div class="">On Tue, Jun 30,
                                            2020 at 9:44 PM Chris
                                            Lattner via llvm-dev<br
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                                              The idea of adding an
                                              “incubation” stage to
                                              projects in the LLVM world
                                              seems to be positively
                                              received.  I also noticed
                                              that we don’t really
                                              document the new project
                                              policy in general in the
                                              LLVM Developer Policy.  To
                                              help with both of these
                                              Stella and I worked
                                              together to draft up a new
                                              section for the LLVM
                                              developer policy
                                              (incorporating the
                                              existing “New Targets”
                                              section).<br class="">
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                                              Ahead of proposing a
                                              Phabricator patch, we put
                                              it into this google doc,
                                              I’d love to get feedback
                                              on it from anyone who is
                                              interested in this:<br
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                                            Currently it doesn't open,
                                            "You need access", sanity
                                            check: is viewing<br
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                                    <div class="">It says that “anyone
                                      on the internet is allowed to
                                      comment”, maybe this link will
                                      work better?:</div>
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lC7cOJ2Iiqdx62o81J5YP7RzFHi8k2Rkt0zla-Kh6no/edit?usp=sharing"
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                                    <div class="">In any case, if google
                                      docs isn’t cooperating, then you
                                      can check it out when it gets to
                                      Phabricator.</div>
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                                    <div class="">-Chris</div>
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