<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Philip Reames <<a href="mailto:listmail@philipreames.com" class="">listmail@philipreames.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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  <div class=""><p class="">This looks to be a reasonable starting point.</p><p class="">A couple of nit picks, none are blockers.</p>
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      <li class="">I'd hold off on handing out the sub-domain for the moment. 
        This feels more official than we probably want for a random
        incubator.  I reserve the right to change my mind here, but
        maybe we should delay this part until we see what actual
        incubators look like?  As an alternative, maybe have a common
        <a href="http://incubator.llvm.org" class="">incubator.llvm.org</a> page which links to the docs defining the
        process and lists all active incubators with links to docs in
        their own repo?</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>Sounds great, I’m happy to take this out - this avoids “promising” it, but we can still discuss it on a case-by-case basis.  I changed this to "Other infrastructure integration can be discussed on a case-by-case basis.”, because there are bug tracker and other things as well.</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><ol class="" start="2">
      <li class="">The must/should terminology should probably be factored out
        once and referenced.  As written, it takes a little effort to be
        sure the definitions are the same between the two uses.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>I’m not sure what you mean here.  Do you have a recommended approach?</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><ol class="" start="3">
      <li class="">I'm not sure I agree with the no-code standard.  I agree with
        minimal code, but I think an incubator should be established
        enough to be discussed concretely (e.g. "what is" vs "ideals").</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>I hear what you’re saying, but I think we can handle this as part of the approval process.  We can bounce of things that qualitatively don’t feel credible and give guidance there, but can still be receptive if something seems like a promising direction.</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><ol class="" start="4">
      <li class="">As I mentioned before, I'd advocate for the notion of a
        sponsor (an existing LLVM contributor) for each incubator.  I'd
        have that a must on the incubator list.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes, this is a good idea.  The problem here is “how do we decide who qualifies as a sponsor?”.  I don’t know a good way to say that - someone with N years of LLVM experience, M patches, …?  How does this get explained?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>-Chris</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><ol class="" start="4">
    </ol><p class="">Philip<br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/30/20 8:29 PM, Mehdi AMINI via
      llvm-dev wrote:<br class="">
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      <div dir="ltr" class="">Looks like a good proposal to me as-is! Thanks for
        putting this together to both of you :)
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        <div class="">Mehdi</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:49
          PM Chris Lattner via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>
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          <div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Hah,
            whoops, sorry about that.  This is the correct link:
            <div class=""><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ss4jGHywL0Y2KW_l4LqTo5CgJxx3i0_4-FkbXiPQMus/edit" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ss4jGHywL0Y2KW_l4LqTo5CgJxx3i0_4-FkbXiPQMus/edit</a></div>
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            <div class="">-Chris<br class="">
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                  <div class="">On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Thomas Lively <<a href="mailto:tlively@google.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">tlively@google.com</a>>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Chris,
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                      <div class="">I'm also seeing an access denied error on the
                        first link you shared, and although I can access
                        the second document, it doesn't look like the
                        document you meant to share. It looks like a one
                        pager on ML in Swift.</div>
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                      <div class="">Thomas</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 30,
                        2020 at 1:05 PM Chris Lattner via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>
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                              <div class="">On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Roman
                                Lebedev <<a href="mailto:lebedev.ri@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">lebedev.ri@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:</div>
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                                <div class="">On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:44 PM
                                  Chris Lattner via llvm-dev<br class="">
                                  <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>
                                  wrote:<br class="">
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                                    The idea of adding an “incubation”
                                    stage to projects in the LLVM world
                                    seems to be positively received.  I
                                    also noticed that we don’t really
                                    document the new project policy in
                                    general in the LLVM Developer
                                    Policy.  To help with both of these
                                    Stella and I worked together to
                                    draft up a new section for the LLVM
                                    developer policy (incorporating the
                                    existing “New Targets” section).<br class="">
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                                    Ahead of proposing a Phabricator
                                    patch, we put it into this google
                                    doc, I’d love to get feedback on it
                                    from anyone who is interested in
                                    this:<br class="">
                                    <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ss4jGHywL0Y2KW_l4LqTo5CgJxx3i0_4-FkbXiPQMus/edit" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ss4jGHywL0Y2KW_l4LqTo5CgJxx3i0_4-FkbXiPQMus/edit</a><br class="">
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                                  Currently it doesn't open, "You need
                                  access", sanity check: is viewing<br class="">
                                  allowed for everybody?<br class="">
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                          <div class="">It says that “anyone on the internet is
                            allowed to comment”, maybe this link will
                            work better?:</div>
                          <div class=""><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lC7cOJ2Iiqdx62o81J5YP7RzFHi8k2Rkt0zla-Kh6no/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lC7cOJ2Iiqdx62o81J5YP7RzFHi8k2Rkt0zla-Kh6no/edit?usp=sharing</a></div>
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                          <div class="">In any case, if google docs isn’t
                            cooperating, then you can check it out when
                            it gets to Phabricator.</div>
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                          <div class="">-Chris</div>
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