<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">These kinds of emails are not appropriate for this mailing list. Please review our Code of Conduct (<a href="https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html" dir="ltr" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" style="color: currentcolor;">https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html</a>) and keep the discussion on this mailing list LLVM development based.</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Thank you,</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Tanya</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 25, 2020, at 12:04 PM, antlists via llvm-dev <llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>On 25/06/2020 11:14, Jules Penuchot via llvm-dev wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>The comparison between oppressed people claiming back space in high-stakes domains like computer science and an authoritarian regime that enforces a new language just to suppress revolutionary ideas is irrelevant.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>To the best of my knowledge, NO oppressed people care about the language.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>People are protesting around the world because they've been living under constant monitoring and oppression by representatives of states that are authoritarian towards them (e.g. systematically unpunished murders from police officers, unlawful arrests, severe judgements, etc.).</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Then we should do something about that oppression. I think the real problem here is that America claims to be "The Land of the Free" - what's that on the Statue of Liberty about "Send us your oppressed" etc etc, but Blacks feel oppressed in their own land.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is what leads us to question vocabulary that directly refers to the roots of that discriminatory violence.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>And in the conteXt of this sentence, "us" means "The White Morally Superior Brigade". And my eXperience of this in Britain is that Blacks etc object strongly - "stop making things worse!".</span><br><span></span><br><span>Unfortunately, America is by far the worst offender in this regard of actual abuse. If we can fiX America, maybe we can fiX other countries, but in Britain I'd say it's not intentional, and it's down to ignorance.</span><br><span></span><br><span>We have something called "Stop and Search", which Black people hate. Let's say the Police stop 100 people, and find 8 black people with knives, and four whites. We had a Chief Police Officer make a similar (I can't remember it eXactly) argument on national TV. EXcept there's a *crucial* piece of information missing. That 100 includes 80 blacks. NOW do the maths ... That's just ignorant prejudice, not malicious.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers,</span><br><span>Wol</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>LLVM Developers mailing list</span><br><span>llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</span><br><span>https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>