<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Me too.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ivan, I don’t agree with how you’re characterizing the discussion about the “master” branch. In any case, unless there is evidence of precedent here, I don’t find the ‘job’ discussion likely to go anywhere.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 21, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Eric Christopher <<a href="mailto:echristo@gmail.com" class="">echristo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Ivan,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What would you suggest we migrate Job to? Have you raised this with other inclusive language organizations? As the first I've heard of this I'd love to hear more.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-eric</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:42 PM Ivan Kush via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""> </div><div class="">Yes, broad. But what guys say: "You LLVM developers are all racists, because you use 'master' word"</div><div class="">Or broader: "You all developers are all racists, because you use 'master' word". We are not racists, but other guys think so.</div><div class="">So let's begin consistent and take into account all nations and languages. Not only Americans.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Работа/Job contains a root Раб/Slave.</div><div class=""><a href="https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0" target="_blank" class="">https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0</a></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">If we want completely eradicate a word Slave we should take into account all nations and languages!</div><div class="">You say that removing 'master' you won't mention Slave, but in Russia leaving a Job could mean Slave</div><div class="">-- <br class="">Best wishes,</div><div class="">Ivan Kush</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> </div><div class="">21.06.2020, 22:01, "Chris Lattner" <<a href="mailto:clattner@nondot.org" target="_blank" class="">clattner@nondot.org</a>>:</div><blockquote class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""> <div class=""> <blockquote class=""><div class="">On Jun 21, 2020, at 4:49 AM, Ivan Kush via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div> <div class=""><div class="">Here we've began discussion about "master"</div><div class=""><a href="https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2020-June/142448.html" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2020-June/142448.html</a></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Lets remove Job word completely</div><div class=""><pre class="">But as one can easily fact-check, in Russian (slavic?) language,
for example, the word "Worker" can be translated as "Работник", "Рабочий".
Similarly the word "Job" can be translated as "Работа".
As you may notice, they all contain "Раб", which, as you can easily
check, literally translates to "slave".
To Russian people it doesn't seem very inclusive use words with such dubious origin.
</pre></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">We have many uses of Job word</div><div class=""><a href="https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/search?q=job&unscoped_q=job" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/search?q=job&unscoped_q=job</a></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="">Hi Ivan,</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Thank you for raising this issue. I haven’t heard much industry consensus that the word ‘job’ is a problem - are there other communities considering such a change?</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">I’m concerned that a policy around “any English word that can be translated to an unfortunate term in another language” could be too broad to be useful. The discussion around “master" isn’t related to translations.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">-Chris</div></div></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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